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Agree with Micks comments.

On the current teenage crime most (up to 80% +) comes from family dysfunction according to a psychologist that worked at Bandyup detention centre here in WA for 23 years, recidivism rate was 90% in other words locking up kids creates bigger criminals according to the numbers.

The police and courts is where it's all too late, the problem is a community one having said all that dont know what the answers are.

Ah that should have been Banksia Hills detention centre not Bandyup the women's prison worked at Bandyup as an apprentice most terrifying experience I have ever had.
 
Ah that should have been Banksia Hills detention centre not Bandyup the women's prison worked at Bandyup as an apprentice most terrifying experience I have ever had.
@IFocus many years ago when I owned a DitchWitch I had to dig a trench under the fences at Bandyup. From the outside to about 5meters inside the internal fence. I had two armed gorillas either side of me. Was told not to look sideways but only straight ahead and concentrate on what I was doing. Don't respond to any cat calling. Not a place I would have liked to call home. Housed some pretty evil types in there.
 
“These outer suburbs resent people and elites they think have a monopoly on power and access to power. And it’s these 40 per cent of Australians who will determine the next election.
This is the main issue going forward in my view, it's the turning point. It's the first major issue where the inner city elites have been firmly defeated and there's no going back from that now.

That's the lasting impact in my view. Going forward any politician who wants to get elected can't take the working class for granted any longer, indeed it's the "elites" they're likely to take for granted simply because there's far fewer of them.

So my expectation is that anything relating to the media, universities, think tanks, consultancies, activists and so on is going to be in overall retreat. That's not to say we won't have unis educating students or the media continuing to broadcast but the days of that broad group throwing its weight around and dictating to government on policy are at an end I think, the political influence of that group is on the wane.

If I'm right then that'll have far reaching consequences for pretty much everything. :2twocents
 
This is the main issue going forward in my view, it's the turning point. It's the first major issue where the inner city elites have been firmly defeated and there's no going back from that now.

That's the lasting impact in my view. Going forward any politician who wants to get elected can't take the working class for granted any longer, indeed it's the "elites" they're likely to take for granted simply because there's far fewer of them.

So my expectation is that anything relating to the media, universities, think tanks, consultancies, activists and so on is going to be in overall retreat. That's not to say we won't have unis educating students or the media continuing to broadcast but the days of that broad group throwing its weight around and dictating to government on policy are at an end I think, the political influence of that group is on the wane.

If I'm right then that'll have far reaching consequences for pretty much everything. :2twocents
Spot on smurf, society in Australia is in a period of change at the moment IMO, the last period in our social history was about all kids should go to uni and aspire to become elites, the reality is those same kids are seeing tradies driving the latest dual cabs with all the fruit and living in nice houses, while their opportunities are extremely limited.

They are also hearing constantly about the lack of tradies and how we are having to import them by the bucket load, this must be depressing for kids that are struggling through uni to get a degree and hopefully get a job to pay of the HECS debt, the middle class is getting fed up as you say.

The elites drove this with good intent, but as usual the unintended consequences are starting to show, heaps of overqualified, disenchanted, unemployable 20-30 year olds paying huge rent on crap wages while we import tradies.
Australia is changing and it is going to accelerate IMO, the reality for young Australians isn't living up to what they were told to expect, so they are getting angry.

Enrolments in Australian public universities boomed during the last decade. This was due to a government policy known as “demand-driven funding”, which between 2012 and 2017 allowed universities to enrol unlimited numbers of domestic bachelor-degree students.

In 2017, 45% more students started a bachelor degree than a decade earlier.

Boosting higher education participation rates, particularly for students from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, was one of the policy’s aims. But the Productivity Commission has today given the demand-driven system a “mixed report card”.

The report estimates that six in ten school leavers now go to university by age 22, up from a little over half in 2010. But student outcomes deteriorated from their pre-demand-driven peaks. Drop-out rates increased while employment rates decreased (although the most recent data suggests positive trends).


Melbourne University’s latest Taking the Pulse of the Nation report, released in late October, found financial barriers were the greatest obstruction to young Australians pursuing higher education.

Almost 60% of respondents said expensive tuition fees were deterring people from university study, followed by doubts university led to a better job and reluctance to take on student loans (52%).

The demand driven system saw enrolments rise by one-third and saw around 60% of young Australians attend university at some point by age 22 years.
 
@IFocus many years ago when I owned a DitchWitch I had to dig a trench under the fences at Bandyup. From the outside to about 5meters inside the internal fence. I had two armed gorillas either side of me. Was told not to look sideways but only straight ahead and concentrate on what I was doing. Don't respond to any cat calling. Not a place I would have liked to call home. Housed some pretty evil types in there.

@farmerge as an apprentice (17 year old) got to work in all the prisons in all areas the blokes were great, scary looking with records to suit but great, prison guards on the other hand gave me more grief than the inmates.

The girls on the other hand were terrifying my tradesman thought it hallious to send me back alone to the van passing all the cells (open during the day) while the girls some built bigger than guerillas would drag me into their cells describing in great detail certain sexual acts that I was going to perform.

Remember walking across a exercise yard with my foreman a very confident massive pommy guy.
He asked the cutest looking little blond where the laundry was, she looked him straight in the eye and said "fu.k off you big fat c..t " he shrunk to about 5 foot I think only time I ever saw him blush :)
 
Well, what do we have here, looks like a bunch of white aboriginal activists may become inmates of one of the detention centers mentioned above, for fraud and forgery while managing indigenous artists.

Watch the video interview with Nyunmiti Burton in the article below.

Indigenous art body may face criminal probe

The South Australian arts body, the APY Arts Centre Collective, faces investigation for possible criminal or civil charges after a six-month probe into the controversial organisation sparked by The Australian.

The South Australian arts body, the APY Arts Centre Collective, is facing investigation for possible criminal or civil charges after a six-month probe into the controversial organisation sparked by The Australian.

The SA Arts Minister, Andrea Michaels, told The Australian this morning that a panel that has been investigating the APYACC for the past six months had interviewed more than 200 people and had found sufficient evidence to refer matters to the Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations (ORIC) and the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

“(The panel) has gathered evidence and the evidence they have gathered is sufficient for them to refer matters to someone who does have those investigative powers,” she said. “(The panel) couldn’t compel witnesses, they couldn’t offer whistleblower protection…but they found sufficient information to warrant them referring matters to these regulatory bodies.”

Both ORIC and the ACCC have the power to initiate criminal and civil proceedings and ORIC also has the power to disband the board and appoint an administrator.

Ms Michaels, backed by her federal and NT counterparts, appointed a panel to investigate claims made in a long-running investigation by The Australian where both artists and studio staff claimed that white staffers had painted on Indigenous canvases to make the paintings more commercially valuable.

Serious claims of bullying of artists and staff as well as fraud were also raised. Ms Michael said she would be briefing the Federal Arts Minister. Tony Burke, and her NT counterpart, Chansey Paech, later today.

Ms Michaels told The Australian that she would not be making any recommendations to ORIC about appointing an administrator but “it is a power they have and they will probably look into that, I would imagine.”

‘The panel has determined that the level of information received warrants referral to relevant agencies.’
If an administrator was appointed it would spell the end for the controversial manager of the APYACC, Skye O’Meara, who has steadfastly refused to resign, despite being called on to do so by Ms Michaels and a host of other industry figures.

“In my view she ought to have stood down some time ago, but that is a decision for the board, as it was then,” she said.

In July, the SA Government announced the review conducted by Megan Krakouer, Anne Sibree and Cameron Costello into the APYACC, following allegations reported in the media.

The panel considered current and historical allegations that APYACC staff intervened in the artwork of Indigenous artists connected to the APYACC, that efforts were made to conceal this activity, that APYACC was not supporting culturally safe work practices, as well as assessing management practices and terms of engagement for artists.

The terms of reference directed that the panel review the allegations and operations of the APYACC and determine whether any matters should be the subject of investigation or regulatory action by another body.

“The panel has determined that the level of information received warrants referral to relevant agencies,” the Minister said. “It has now referred matters of governance and management practice to the Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations (ORIC) and consumer protection and contracting matters to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC).”

According to the panel, the overwhelming response from participants was that they want the matter resolved and for the industry to move forward.

“I commend the panel for their work conducting this review and their thorough engagement with artists and stakeholders including visiting arts centres and the APY Lands,” Ms Michaels said.

This review was always about ensuring that Aboriginal artists are being respected and the integrity of their art is being maintained,” she said.

Philip Watkins, the CEO of Desart, the peak body for the central desert representing the 35 Indigenous arts centres of the central deserts, said his organisation welcomes the referrals made by the South Australian panel into the allegations against the APY Arts Centre.

“I reiterate my position that the senior management of the Collective should stand aside while these bodies carry out their investigations,” Mr Watkins said.

“I look forward to a speedy resolution of these matters,” he said.

GREG BEARUP
 
@farmerge as an apprentice (17 year old) got to work in all the prisons in all areas the blokes were great, scary looking with records to suit but great, prison guards on the other hand gave me more grief than the inmates.

The girls on the other hand were terrifying my tradesman thought it hallious to send me back alone to the van passing all the cells (open during the day) while the girls some built bigger than guerillas would drag me into their cells describing in great detail certain sexual acts that I was going to perform.

Remember walking across a exercise yard with my foreman a very confident massive pommy guy.
He asked the cutest looking little blond where the laundry was, she looked him straight in the eye and said "fu.k off you big fat c..t " he shrunk to about 5 foot I think only time I ever saw him blush :)
@IFocus you were lucky to retain theCrown Jewels. The guards who were with me indicated that a straying contractor would leave the compound a bit short.
 
Spot on smurf, society in Australia is in a period of change at the moment IMO, the last period in our social history was about all kids should go to uni and aspire to become elites, the reality is those same kids are seeing tradies driving the latest dual cabs with all the fruit and living in nice houses, while their opportunities are extremely limited.

They are also hearing constantly about the lack of tradies and how we are having to import them by the bucket load, this must be depressing for kids that are struggling through uni to get a degree and hopefully get a job to pay of the HECS debt, the middle class is getting fed up as you say.

The elites drove this with good intent, but as usual the unintended consequences are starting to show, heaps of overqualified, disenchanted, unemployable 20-30 year olds paying huge rent on crap wages while we import tradies.
Australia is changing and it is going to accelerate IMO, the reality for young Australians isn't living up to what they were told to expect, so they are getting angry.

Enrolments in Australian public universities boomed during the last decade. This was due to a government policy known as “demand-driven funding”, which between 2012 and 2017 allowed universities to enrol unlimited numbers of domestic bachelor-degree students.

In 2017, 45% more students started a bachelor degree than a decade earlier.

Boosting higher education participation rates, particularly for students from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, was one of the policy’s aims. But the Productivity Commission has today given the demand-driven system a “mixed report card”.

The report estimates that six in ten school leavers now go to university by age 22, up from a little over half in 2010. But student outcomes deteriorated from their pre-demand-driven peaks. Drop-out rates increased while employment rates decreased (although the most recent data suggests positive trends).


Melbourne University’s latest Taking the Pulse of the Nation report, released in late October, found financial barriers were the greatest obstruction to young Australians pursuing higher education.

Almost 60% of respondents said expensive tuition fees were deterring people from university study, followed by doubts university led to a better job and reluctance to take on student loans (52%).

The demand driven system saw enrolments rise by one-third and saw around 60% of young Australians attend university at some point by age 22 years.
Starting to look like over-educated under-employed and under-payed, then they become professional students spend years getting degree after degree, and then all of a sudden they turn 65 and it's retirement time.
 
Starting to look like over-educated under-employed and under-payed, then they become professional students spend years getting degree after degree, and then all of a sudden they turn 65 and it's retirement time.
I know my oldest grandson is doing really well at school just finished year 10, he is doing a pre apprenticeship course next year so he can leave and get a trade.
I'm surprised as he is definitely smart enough for Uni, but just wants to start earning and work toward owning a business.
 
I know my oldest grandson is doing really well at school just finished year 10, he is doing a pre apprenticeship course next year so he can leave and get a trade.
I'm surprised as he is definitely smart enough for Uni, but just wants to start earning and work toward owning a business.
Good on him. Would appear that he has his head screwed on and set his sights for further down the track.
 
No surprise there. Though, a great leader would not fear the past and would be able to gove some words to lead the people.

"Anthony Albanese fails to mention the voice referendum or his government’s plan for Indigenous Australians in his 2023 end-of-year wrap"

Anthony Albanese skips voice referendum, Indigenous Australians in 2023 wrap

The Coalition has launched a pre-Christmas attack against Anthony Albanese for failing to mention the voice referendum or his government’s plan for Indigenous Australians in his 2023 end-of-year wrap, accusing the Prime Minister of “airbrushing” the defeated vote.

Mr Albanese shared the nearly two-and-a-half-minute video on his social media channels on the weekend with the caption “looking back on 2023”, wishing Australians the best for Christmas and the happiest of New Years.

In the wrap, Mr Albanese talks about natural disasters, global inflation and cost-of-living pressures but most of the video is spent referencing the government’s achievements – such as cheaper childcare, more jobs and fee-free TAFE.

The October 14 referendum, which was rejected by 60.6 per cent of Australians and was arguably the biggest political event of the year, isn’t mentioned.

Acting Opposition Leader Sussan Ley said Mr Albanese had given himself full marks for 2023, but added: “The fact he omitted his failed and divisive referendum from his year in review tells you everything you need to know.

“This year the Prime Minister has been called Airbus Albo by many, well today, be it on cost-of-living or the referendum, we are now seeing ‘Airbrush Albo’. Australians deserve more than this selective airbrushing from their national leader.”

The opposition’s Indigenous Australians spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price – who, like many of her Coalition colleagues, was vehemently against the referendum and campaigned across the country to defeat it – said Mr Albanese couldn’t “list a single thing” he’d done for Indigenous Australians “because all he has done this year is fail us”.

“The PM and (Indigenous Australians) Minister (Linda) Burney have no plan, no answers, and they’ve both been missing in action since Australia’s unambiguous rejection of Labor’s divisive voice in October,” she said.

“The only thing rising faster than interest rates under Labor is the hot air coming from the PM.”

The Prime Minister’s spokeswoman said the government had kept its pledge to hold a referendum but didn’t clarify if its omission from the video was an oversight.

“Sneaky Sussan doesn’t like to hear about how we’re responsibly helping Australians because she desperately wants them to forget the No-alition she helps lead has opposed this help at every turn,” the spokeswoman said.

“We know people are doing it tough, that’s why we’ve delivered $23bn in responsible cost-of-living relief, strengthened the budget, delivered the first surplus in 15 years and created more than 700,000 jobs since we came to office – all without adding to inflation.”

Government sources said Labor was delivering for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people through a suite of measures, including by replacing the “failed” remote work for the dole program with one “that is about real jobs and real wages”, improving water supply and treatment in remote communities and investing in basic services in homelands for the first time in many years.

Mr Albanese, who with Ms Burney is working on a road map for Indigenous Australia to be unveiled early in the new year, also faced criticism on the weekend for tasting expensive wine while on a four-day holiday in Western Australia’s Margaret River.

Cabinet minister Don Farrell defended the Prime Minister’s mini break, saying it was “eminently reasonable” after he worked hard this year.

The South Australian senator labelled Coalition accusations that Mr Albanese was out-of-touch with cost-of-living pressures being felt by everyday Australians for tasting a $500 bottle of wine as “outrageous”.

“The Prime Minister has worked really, really hard this year,” Senator Farrell told Sky News’ Sunday Agenda.

“He’s taking just a few days off and he’s decided to go to Western Australia to the Margaret River. I think that’s eminently reasonable. And if I was a Western Australian senator, I certainly wouldn’t be complaining about the Prime Minister spending some holidays, well deserved holidays in my home state.”

Mr Albanese returned to work last Friday and plans to work over Christmas.

ROSIE LEWIS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
 
It's amazing that Airbus Albo actually found time in his super busy schedule of overseas travel to garnish some words of wisdom upon the peasants.
He is away that much, he probably qualifies as a non resident and not liable for Oz taxation:p
 
Maybe there is some hope that our taxpayer funded public broadcasters are starting to remember that they represent all Australians, and not just their own private interests.

SBS apologises to No campaigner Warren Mundine over a segment that aired where Marcia Langton was called a ‘national treasure’

Taxpayer-funded broadcaster SBS has apologised to No campaigner Warren Mundine for airing a heated voice debate that included Indigenous host Narelda Jacobs labelling Yes campaigner Marcia Langton a “national treasure” and technical staff cutting the Indigenous businessman’s microphone so he could not respond to comments made about him.
During the robust discussion that aired on October 14, the night of voice referendum vote, it was moderated by TV presenter Jacobs whose “character observation” had “unduly favoured” Professor Langton, SBS ombudsman Amy Stockwell’s investigation in the matter found.

SBS received eight complaints about the segment, led by Jacobs and John Paul Janke, and in the Ombudsman’s two-month investigation into the matter it found comments made by Jacobs that were glowing of Prof Langton were not impartial and breached the SBS Code of Practice.

Mr Mundine – a former SBS board member – said during the panel discussion, “I’m not going to take any comments from a person that we are a racist country and that we are racist people.”

Mr Mundine said in his complaint to the SBS he was referring to comments made by Prof Langton six years ago: “In 2017, Ms Langton said “Of course, Australia’s racist. It’s a horrible racist country”,” Mr Mundine wrote in his letter of complaint.

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Yes campaigner Professor Marcia Langton and No campaigner Warren Mundine go head-to-head on SBS's program The Point on the night of the voice referendum.

Jacobs then said during the robust debate: “Well, we’re not going to sit here and take you abusing a national treasure like Marcia Langton who never said that Australians were racist, and her words were twisted.

“I’m going to stop you there, Warren.

“I think, well, we’ve just seen who Warren Mundine is.”

The SBS ombudsman said in her findings, “the character observation in the closing statement (by Jacobs) gave the impression one perspective had been unduly favoured over another in a way that was inconsistent with the impartiality provisions of the Code.”

Mr Mundine told The Australian the following day the segment was the “worst interview” he had done during the entire voice debate, and he later complained to the SBS.

The ombudsman’s investigation also found that at 8.06pm during the panel debate Mr Mundine stated that there should be an audit of funding for First Nations services, which he supported.

His microphone was subsequently switched off.

The ombudman’s review said Professor Langton then “called for a specific audit of ‘hundreds of thousands of dollars’ of public moneies that were awarded to your (Mr Mundine’s) private company for a television program, as well as ‘seven million dollars and more [you] got from the Coalition Government’.”

Mr Mundine’s response to this was not sought, and the ombudsman said in the review, “The timing and communication about the deactivation of your microphone combined with the time taken to return to you for response to a significant claim meant you and the audience did not receive the benefit of your reply.”

This was also a breach of the SBS Code of Practice – it failed to meet the standards of a balanced presentation of news and current affairs.

Jacobs remains outspoken on Indigenous issues and despite saying earlier this year to The West Australian newspaper that as an SBS employee she is careful in ensuring she does not publicly state her position on the voice, she has proven otherwise.

On the day of the referendum, Jacobs posted on Instagram a video of herself where she was wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the words, “We support The Uluru Statement.”

SBS was asked if Jacobs would be apologising to Mr Mundine and whether she was disciplined over the incident but a spokeswoman would not comment.

A spokeswoman said: “We note the SBS Ombudsman’s findings related to elements of a robust exchange between guests during the live program.

“The intention of the actions taken by the program team was to ensure that the conversation taking place remained clear for audiences, fact-based and a safe space for discussion.”

SOPHIE ELSWORTH
 
"The intention of the actions taken by the program team was to ensure that the conversation taking place remained clear for audiences, fact-based and a safe space for discussion."

"Safe" for whom ? Only for one side it seems.
 
"The intention of the actions taken by the program team was to ensure that the conversation taking place remained clear for audiences, fact-based and a safe space for discussion."

"Safe" for whom ? Only for one side it seems.
Obviously 8 cents a day is what we are getting. If it was 16 cents thn perhaps the scenario may have a bit different.
 
This article highlights the issue, I was talking about early in this thread, where I mentioned the only way to really help the very remote Aboriginal settlements is to actually train them to carry out the work themselves.
It is just very difficult logistically to stay on top of the maintenance, when there are so many small communities IMO. Unless the locals can carry out the repairs, it is near on impossible to keep up with the damage and repairs.


Roper Gulf Regional Council mayor Tony Jack regularly travels around the NT and interstate for his job.

But back home in his tiny Gulf of Carpentaria community of Wandigulla, where 12 people live in three houses, he is dismayed by the state of the infrastructure.

"We've got a major issue with our power set up, it's a big solar set-up that needs urgent attention, it's running below 50 per cent at the moment and getting worse," he said.

"At night the solar dies so we have to start the generator, and then the generator died on me last night

Mr Jack said he is disappointed Wandigulla hasn't got a piece of the Federal Labor Government's $100 million NT homelands election commitment.

"I heard about the $100 million, I was up in Canberra when Minister [Linda] Burney and [Senator] Malarndirri McCarthy, our federal member announced it," he said.

"But in reality we've got people living on homelands that aren't seeing this money."

There are more than 1,000 homeland communities across regional and remote Australia which the Commonwealth and some state and territory governments provide some support for.
 
This article highlights the issue, I was talking about early in this thread, where I mentioned the only way to really help the very remote Aboriginal settlements is to actually train them to carry out the work themselves.
It is just very difficult logistically to stay on top of the maintenance, when there are so many small communities IMO. Unless the locals can carry out the repairs, it is near on impossible to keep up with the damage and repairs.


Roper Gulf Regional Council mayor Tony Jack regularly travels around the NT and interstate for his job.

But back home in his tiny Gulf of Carpentaria community of Wandigulla, where 12 people live in three houses, he is dismayed by the state of the infrastructure.

"We've got a major issue with our power set up, it's a big solar set-up that needs urgent attention, it's running below 50 per cent at the moment and getting worse," he said.

"At night the solar dies so we have to start the generator, and then the generator died on me last night

Mr Jack said he is disappointed Wandigulla hasn't got a piece of the Federal Labor Government's $100 million NT homelands election commitment.

"I heard about the $100 million, I was up in Canberra when Minister [Linda] Burney and [Senator] Malarndirri McCarthy, our federal member announced it," he said.

"But in reality we've got people living on homelands that aren't seeing this money."

There are more than 1,000 homeland communities across regional and remote Australia which the Commonwealth and some state and territory governments provide some support for.

So if each community had $500k spent fixing the infrastructure we could have fixed 800 of them instead we got a referendum :banghead:
 
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