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I just wish the left would take the L and STFU. The absolute petulant childishness has been something to behold.Another way of looking at it could be, the outcome of this referendum by demographic was very similar to the last one which was for the republic.
Maybe the reason the elites voted for both, was because the inner city Syndey/Melbourne/Canberra elites had the most to gain from a republic and the least to lose from a voice to parliament, who knows?
Statistics can be interpreted as the reader wants.
This article sums it up well and the very last statement and sentence actually nails the whole issue.I just wish the left would take the L and STFU. The absolute petulant childishness has been something to behold.
Here we have even the prime minister acting like 13-year-old girl that hasn't got her way.
Meanwhile Australia stays divided and real solutions for the disadvantaged are increasingly a very long way off.
Best holes "setting back reconciliation" is really giving me the irrits. Reconciliation can not happen with a top-down, political approach. It will always leave some party aggrieved.This article sums it up well and the very last statement and sentence actually nails the whole issue.
Almost 90 per cent of people in this WA farming town voted No. Here's why
The resounding No vote in Western Australia has been met with relief by many who say it was a distraction, including those in the Wheatbelt town of Darkan. But others say there will be ramifications for reconciliation.www.abc.net.au
Exactly, the bottom line is funding and who is going to wear it IMO.For many people, rightly or wrongly, there is nothing to reconcile.
Especially those not born here, they have no skin in this game.
This cannot be overcome easily.
I don't hold much hope for reconciliation except at the usual superficial political level.
Mick
Another well intended brain fart that will take a while for the smell to disperse, hopefully before the next election.Labor seems to have ditched it's promise of delivering the Uluru Statement IN FULL.
Who would have thunk?
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Put yourself in the shoes of the average Australian.
They're struggling with reality that it's entirely possible to be employed full time and also homeless in Australia in 2023. They've seen the circumstances of the average worker progressively deteriorate over and extended period with the trend still in progress.
On the other hand those they see as largely responsible for their plight now propose to fix the circumstances faced by Aboriginal people, but they're unwilling to say how they'll do it beyond "trust me".
Why would they trust the same broad group that's so comprehensively failed on other issues and which won't answer the question as to how they're going to fix it for Aboriginals? As I've said many times, the public have substantially lost faith in the entire concept of government as a solution to problems.
Personally I've encountered plenty of people who've succeeded despite various setbacks and I've likewise encountered those who are perpetually down. I can tell you exactly what separates them - it's not race, it's not gender, it's not even education. It's outlook. Seeking a way out of the mess and being open to all options versus seeking to wallow in it and finding a reason to not pursue every suggestion put forward. That's what separates those who succeed from those who fail.
Worst thing you can do to anyone who's struggling is tell them they're a victim. All that does is keep them down, keep them in the cycle of doom and to be blunt it's a form of abuse in itself. Rather, if the aim is to help then they need to come to a point of seeking a way forward, a way out of the mess, and accepting that they're going to have to make it work. That is, shifting the focus from the past to the future.
That's not some radical idea of my own. It's just the stages of grief:
1. Shock and denial
2. Pain and guilt
3. Anger and bargaining
4. Depression
5. The upward turn
6. Reconstruction and working through
7. Acceptance and hope.
Aboriginal people collectively seem stuck at (4) and have been so for a very long time and if there's to be a way forward, it involves moving them onto (5) then (6) and finally (7). That won't happen if there's a victim mentality - the aim is to end that seeing themselves as victims, and instead embrace the possibilities for the future.
Take for example someone who's just turned 18 years old. Quite simply there's no fundamental reason why they ought not be in comparable circumstances to any other 18 year old and if they aren't then that's the fault of adults who've done bad things to them since 2005 not back in 1788. There's no fundamental reason why they can't have achieved what others have achieved - if they haven't then we need to look at the adults around them.
In short the cycle needs to be broken. It might not be practical to fix things for older Aboriginal people but we can and must fix it for the coming and future generations.
I won't claim to have all the answers but I do know that any real solution involves moving the focus forward. It involves shifting the conversation from "land was stolen" to "we want to succeed in mainstream society".
I'm not the right person to change that mindset, I sure wouldn't nominate myself for the job, but the Voice didn't seem to be either, it seemed far too focused on "pay the rent" rather than "focus on the future" and of particular note, the idea that it was to be permanent implied it was never expected to succeed.
There are people who do know how to go about this sort of thing, how to shift attitudes, and they're the people who need to be involved. They're the ones who need to be doing what it takes to shift the mindset to one of wanting to succeed in mainstream society, which then makes it relatively straightforward for government, business and others to do the physical things to make it happen.
Aboriginal people need the equivalent of former Tasmanian premier Jim Bacon. A man who came in and abruptly shifted the mindset of the people from the problems to the solutions. The change was dramatic - an extended period of doom, gloom and wallowing swept away almost in an instant and it all came down to the energy he had, the language he used and his focus on shifting the mindset or the people from "how we got into this mess" to "how we're getting out of the mess" then delivering. He was only premier for 5.5 years, resigning due to health, but his lasting legacy was that of a changed mindset, one focused on looking forward not looking back.
Shift the mindset to one that wants success then the rest becomes simply a case of doing it.
As for the other issues, well the basic problem isn't Aboriginal suicides versus housing but rather that the working class has been waiting a rather long time now and throughout that time there's always been some excuse, some other issue that government found more pressing. If it's not Aboriginals then it's climate change, if it's not that then it's a pandemic, or it's a budget deficit, or it's a war, or it's a drought, or it's redeveloping land in inner Sydney, or it's some international issue, or it's conservation, or it's pre-mixed drinks, or it's tax evasion, or it's government itself, or it's.....
Tell someone they need to wait and the first time they'll likely say OK, the other thing seems really important so I'll wait. After 40 years that's worn very thin however, very thin and Labor plausibly is on its last roll of the dice here.
I say that because it's come to the point where 87.5% of workers aren't members of a union, it's reportedly over 90% in the private sector, and less than a third of voters voted Labor at the last federal election. Indeed the Coalition still gained a higher primary vote than Labor despite being in obvious disarray. Based on that, Labor's support base is anything but solid - they're in government for no reason other than when forced to make a choice that was limited to Labor or the Coalition, more people thought Labor was less bad. That's all it is though - less than a third actually voted Labor and even some of those would no doubt have been in the "least bad" camp.
If Labor wants to survive politically at the federal level then they've no choice other than to address the problems of those who've been waiting. It's that or it's an extended period in opposition once the Coalition finds themselves a popular leader which they no doubt will at some point.
IMO you're never going to empower aboriginals from Canberra, they can fund it, but they know fck all about it.I guess my point was Australians are more concerned with 1st world problems rather than addressing the 3rd world problem that exists in Australia.
A lot of people time and effort have gone into this for little return. The Voice was a very low risk proposition giving over no power but at the same time empowering Aboriginal communities to be at the table in a transparent way shining a light into their affairs.
Australia has rejected this approach realistically that’s the end of the conversation.
My heart goes out to those Aborigines who worked for the opportunity to progress in such a minor step and have been rejected by Australians comprehensively.
IMO you're never going to empower aboriginals from Canberra, they can fund it, but they know fck all about it.
Fund the States to sort it.
Hint it hasn't worked, you might have missed that, so logics says you move the the team closer to the workface, you don't make a bigger head office.Federal Government policy is made in Canberra why would you ignore that?
Howard ran the intervention how would the states change that, hint they couldn't.
true Mick: voluntarily using the extremes:For many people, rightly or wrongly, there is nothing to reconcile.
Especially those not born here, they have no skin in this game.
This cannot be overcome easily.
I don't hold much hope for reconciliation except at the usual superficial political level.
Mick
That sounds nice for the glossy brochure, most people think it was just another self serving sector of Government being set up, time to move on and come up with something that will work.I guess my point was Australians are more concerned with 1st world problems rather than addressing the 3rd world problem that exists in Australia.
A lot of people time and effort have gone into this for little return. The Voice was a very low risk proposition giving over no power but at the same time empowering Aboriginal communities to be at the table in a transparent way shining a light into their affairs.
Australia has rejected this approach realistically that’s the end of the conversation.
My heart goes out to those Aborigines who worked for the opportunity to progress in such a minor step and have been rejected by Australians comprehensively.
As I'm looking at it, your comment does cut close to the bone but from a different perspective.I guess my point was Australians are more concerned with 1st world problems rather than addressing the 3rd world problem that exists in Australia.
A lot of people time and effort have gone into this for little return. The Voice was a very low risk proposition giving over no power but at the same time empowering Aboriginal communities to be at the table in a transparent way shining a light into their affairs.
And a properly managed government should not care about the colour of the skin (or a tribal self identification) to determine which help should go to a citizen in need.Realistically, the Aborigines need to fix their own culture.
And no longer rely on immigrants to solve their problems.
This Yes/No is a clear statement.
The working public gives them enough in centrelink benefits.
How much can we give them! Plus sorry's & thanks to the gagagsgasgasga clans everywhere I go.
If they want to change their situation, they should go & take it.
The meteoric rise and rise of Jacinta Nampijinpa Price has taken much of the country by surprise – even her parents, Dave and Bess, who are now willing to entertain the possibility she may one day live in The Lodge.
“I can see now she had it in there all along,” Mr Price said.
“But I didn’t appreciate what she had. When we went to the National Press Club and listened to her speech I was gobsmacked. I was just so bloody proud. We knew she was good, but I didn’t appreciate she was that good.”
We’re sitting in the couple’s Alice Springs home, where they’ve agreed to a wide-ranging interview about their daughter, her critics and her ambitions.
The former housing commission house, which they share with their grandson, Leiland, and Mr Price’s pet python, was attacked by vandals with paint on Indigenous voice to parliament referendum day, when the senator’s father was also “egged” by a stranger.
“We’re not scared of the bullies, the bullies can go to hell,” Mr Price said. “They can rant and rave as much as they like and threaten us but they’re not going to stop our daughter.”
They know more than anyone the extraordinary journey that has brought their daughter to this point, but say it is her experiences in growing up attached to troubled communities such as Yuendumu that have greatly influenced her.
“Her experience of living within that lifestyle of Aboriginal people who are helpless, hopeless, made her a voice for them,” Mr Price says, recalling the countless relatives who have died due to alcohol abuse.
“They just gave up the will to live, kept drinking until it was all over,” Mr Price says.
For some deaths in the family, Senator Price has been with the paramedics, helping them put a body in the body bag.
“So, Marcia Langton, you can threaten as much as you like, you can insult as much as you like, it’s like water off a duck’s back,” Mr Price says.
Ms Price recalled how Professor Langton labelled her daughter the “princess of assimilation” on referendum night.
“Well, Marcia wants to be the queen of all the blackfellas,” Mr Price responds with a laugh.
“It’s not working. Princess of assimilation, for god’s sake, because she’s saying we’re one community, we’re one country, we’re all in this together. She’s the princess of assimilation, where do these people come from?” he asks.
“Not the same planet I’m on.”
Ms Price says Professor Langton and Indigenous leader Megan Davis “don’t see any of that”.
“They would not care, because these people are out of mind and out of sight, but I took Jacinta, everyday, we’d go on weekends, we’d go and spend time in town camps, go out bush with them,” Ms Price says.
She claims she doesn’t think about whether her daughter will one day be prime minister.
“We’ll just back her, we’re just here as mum and dad, just to support her, to carry her, wherever she goes,” she says.
Mr Price is a little less restrained.
“As a father, it scares me because I know what that job can do to people, but I know she’s up to it and we’ll do what we can to support her if that’s the way she chooses to go,” he says.
“Watch out, Peter,” he adds, in a warning to Mr Dutton, the Opposition Leader, delivered with a chuckle.
The couple are acutely aware of what the top job would mean: their daughter already has an AFP detail watching over her.
But they say their daughter won’t be deterred by threats.
“Because of her experience … she’s lived through all of that, and she’s tired of seeing it still being played out without anybody trying to help these people get a better life, a safe environment for women and kids,” Ms Price says.
Mr Price adds: “These are women who don’t have megaphones. Their voices are deliberately suppressed by the organisations because they don’t agree with their narrative, and the ABC aren’t going to interview them.”
When the couple look at their daughter they see a little girl fiercely protecting her family in the face of an unspeakable tragedy. Jacinta was just four years old when her 10-year-old brother died of leukaemia.
Her parents believe it was a pivotal moment in making Senator Price the woman she is today.
“I believe that’s had a huge impact on her and made her extraordinarily emotionally tough,” Mr Price says. “She’s always had this huge reservoir of emotional courage, of emotional strength and moral courage.”
The couple remember the time in 1985 vividly. They moved to Adelaide so their son could receive care. Even now, nearly four decades on, they find it too painful to say his name and ask The Australian not to use it.
Ms Price and the young Jacinta stayed by his bedside at hospital while Mr Price worked as an education officer with the commonwealth department of education, working at supporting the schooling of Aboriginal students at all levels.
“It was a pretty bloody awful time – you’ll learn a hell of a lot about courage in a children’s oncology ward,” Mr Price says through tears.
“Kids with cancer are the bravest people in the whole bloody world. The way (Jacinta) said goodbye to him helped me, inspired me, helped me to cope with it, and she was four years old.
“Hugely loving, huge empathy and sympathy with those who are worse off than she is, or suffering, but an absolute grim determination to help them in whatever ways she can.
The Prices met in Yuendumu in 1976, where they were working at the same school. He was teaching in the bilingual program; she was a literacy production worker, producing Warlpiri literature, and later became a teacher’s assistant. In 2012, Ms Price was elected as a member of the NT Legislative Assembly, representing the electorate of Stuart, holding several portfolios including minister for community services in the Giles government. A few years later, her daughter was elected to the Alice Springs Town Council. They were the first Indigenous mother-daughter to be on two levels of government at the same time.
Ms Price is now assistant principal at Yipirinya school, an independent school for Aboriginal children in Alice Springs.
“Because of her experience, Jacinta has taken that role on to be that voice for them, and that’s why she’s so strong,” Ms Price says.
“She’s lived through all of that, and she’s tired of seeing it still being played out without anybody trying to help these people get a better life, a safe environment for women and kids.”
LIAM MENDES REPORTER
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