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I generally find that as the outcome of a divisive vote or referendum becomes more clear that the vociferous comment becomes less, and the compassionate voices on both sides seem to predominate.

Away ye haters.

This vote is done and the result will confirm the wishes of the people.

Be kinder.

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Dan Andrews will be running weekend workshops, on advanced teflon coatings and its uses for politicians. ;)
Fortunately there have not many in labor, who have been too outspoken about it . :roflmao:
 
Interesting that Malcolm Frasers family are wading in to the debate, when he was PM and the workers were doing it very tough, he was famous for the quote "life wasn't meant to be easy".
He certainly was the most despised PM from a workers perspective, weird that they would roll his legacy out, in the name of compassion, he was socially progressive but not a crowd favorite, interesting times. :rolleyes:

www.smh.com.au

My grandfather Malcolm Fraser would have found ‘If you don’t know, vote No’ abhorrent

If Australia returns a majority No vote, we will wake up on October 15 with no plan to improve Indigenous people’s lives. My grandfather would have implored us to consider the consequences of choosing to do nothing.
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sptrawler said:
Interesting that Malcolm Frasers family are wading in to the debate, when he was PM and the workers were doing it very tough, he was famous for the quote "life wasn't meant to be easy".
He certainly was the most despised PM from a workers perspective, weird that they would roll his legacy out, in the name of compassion, he was socially progressive but not a crowd favorite, interesting times. :rolleyes:

www.smh.com.au

My grandfather Malcolm Fraser would have found ‘If you don’t know, vote No’ abhorrent

If Australia returns a majority No vote, we will wake up on October 15 with no plan to improve Indigenous people’s lives. My grandfather would have implored us to consider the consequences of choosing to do nothing.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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"My grandfather would have implored us to consider the consequences of choosing to do nothing"

I wonder how many Aboriginal people would take that on board.
 
sptrawler said:
Interesting that Malcolm Frasers family are wading in to the debate, when he was PM and the workers were doing it very tough, he was famous for the quote "life wasn't meant to be easy".
He certainly was the most despised PM from a workers perspective, weird that they would roll his legacy out, in the name of compassion, he was socially progressive but not a crowd favorite, interesting times. :rolleyes:

www.smh.com.au

My grandfather Malcolm Fraser would have found ‘If you don’t know, vote No’ abhorrent

If Australia returns a majority No vote, we will wake up on October 15 with no plan to improve Indigenous people’s lives. My grandfather would have implored us to consider the consequences of choosing to do nothing.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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Oh Jeez.

Fraser was the greatest traitor to ¹classical liberalism in the history of the universe. Vis a vis any position taken by Malcommie should be immediately discarded as against those principles.

¹
Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism which advocates free market and laissez-faire economics; and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech.
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wayneL said:
This fruit loop is freakin delusional! Never have I seen us more divided, ever; not just on this absurd Voice, it has divided us even further on other lines also.

Considering his comments here, maybe that was actually the goal?

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They're too pigheaded to realise that third world migrants that come to Australia have hit the jackpot, they'd change places with most indigenous at the drop of a hat. No free anything from where most of them come from, let alone voicing your own opinion out in public without being killed or jailed.
 
wayneL said:
Reconciliation eh?

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That is an amazing statement from a lawyer.
Especially when Australia along with other British colonies are where most refugees wish to go, U.K, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, telling the migrants that they should line up against those who are supplying the welfare state isn't really a smart move IMO.

Tell those lined up in France trying to cross to the U.K they are crazy.
Telling the Asian migrants who risked their lives to get here, they should take sides, is the dumbest thing I've heard so far, at least Albo says minimal.
This is getting sillier and sillier IMO.
 
IFocus said:
You cannot make this stuff up

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That's a play on words.

Three weeks out from polling day, the Prime Minister announced he would convene a parliamentary committee with co-chairs from both the Labor Party and Coalition “to secure maximum support” for voice legislation in the event of a Yes vote.
It would be up to the parliament to determine the voice’s composition, functions, powers and procedures.
The No campaign said Mr Albanese’s “bipartisan olive branch” was insulting and a “slap in the face” to Australians.

Senator Price, who is the opposition Indigenous Australians spokeswoman, said a bipartisan parliamentary committee was a “no-brainer” if the referendum succeeded.

“There would have to be a bipartisan approach to creating this, and being the shadow minister for Indigenous Australians, I would absolutely expect to be sitting at that table,” she said.
 
wayneL said:
Considering his comments here, maybe that was actually the goal?
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Well it has kept the climate / energy issue, which has played at least some role in the demise of several PM's now, firmly out of the headlines and it has also swept aside what otherwise might've been significant media discussion of the housing crisis and that minor little statistic that Australia is now officially in recession on a per capita basis.

Regardless of the referendum outcome, the Voice will have enabled this government to get half way through its term and then it's Christmas so make that 60% of the way through in practice.:2twocents
 
Smurf1976 said:
Well it has kept the climate / energy issue, which has played at least some role in the demise of several PM's now, firmly out of the headlines and it has also swept aside what otherwise might've been significant media discussion of the housing crisis and that minor little statistic that Australia is now officially in recession on a per capita basis.

Regardless of the referendum outcome, the Voice will have enabled this government to get half way through its term and then it's Christmas so make that 60% of the way through in practice.:2twocents
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That's a pretty cynical view (and I do see cynicism as a positive in this world and thoroughly justified).

The disappointing thing is that the plebeians don't see straight through it.
 
Smurf1976 said:
Well it has kept the climate / energy issue, which has played at least some role in the demise of several PM's now, firmly out of the headlines and it has also swept aside what otherwise might've been significant media discussion of the housing crisis and that minor little statistic that Australia is now officially in recession on a per capita basis.

Regardless of the referendum outcome, the Voice will have enabled this government to get half way through its term and then it's Christmas so make that 60% of the way through in practice.:2twocents
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wayneL said:
That's a pretty cynical view (and I do see cynicism as a positive in this world and thoroughly justified).

The disappointing thing is that the plebeians don't see straight through it.
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I know W.A isn't the same as the East Coast, there is much less social climbing over here, but from a W.A perspective a lot of skin has been lost in the game for Albo IMO.
Over East who knows, they seem to have cult like political followers, the voice distraction isnt going to reduce the power system reality, I get a feeling that cliff is approaching faster than anyone knows.
 
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