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The Voice

I must say it was hillarious hearing mainstream media saying saying social media is turning free speach into poison, they must be upset another platform is taking over their patch, obviously they havent been keeping track of the amount of defamation cases that mainstream are having to defend for the poison they spew. Lol
There was a time when the mainstream media was held in high esteem and their honesty and impartial reporting carried a lot of weight, sadly that trust has been thrown to wind, as all sides of the media IMO has prostituted itself to push an agenda or chase a headline and in doing so has lost all credibility IMO.
Just my thoughts, but I actually think it wont be long before all those in the lower socio economic group will be just as disadvantaged as the urban aboriginal and Torres strait Isanders.
How that will be addressed will be interesting.
 
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I think the biggest mistake the "yes" side are making is to argue that the voters have been fooled by the "no" side.

Rather, it's the "yes" side's refusal to answer questions, failing to remember that politicians are there to serve the public, along with a perception the proposal hasn't been properly thought through and that government has become obsessively focused on a single issue, at a time of serious problems in other areas, that has alienated many.
 
@Smurf1976 At last a retort that is so true.
I would think that if "Yes" followers are so worried/confused by the "No" side then perhaps some deep soul searching maybe required.
Time to ask themselves why is the "No" population so against voting"Yes"
To me it is bleedingly obvious.
 
I agree it's taking up a lot of oxygen that should be put into housing, the economy, health and the shortage of labour in almost every industry.
Labor spent years trying to shake off the perception of being a party that governs for minorities and which had turned its back on the working class.

They finally managed to shake that off and get themselves elected to government.

The very next thing they've done is prove the critics correct with an almost exclusive focus on a single minority group, and a very stereotypical one at that, meanwhile the broad working class are being ignored in their pain.

I'm no fan of the Coalition, I've said plenty about them in the past, but there's a fair chance this ushers in another extended period of successive Coalition governments simply as the only alternative. Labor's burning an entire generation of voters here and the younger generation at that.

Even a good portion of Aboriginal people are going to be more worried about house prices, utility bills, labour shortages, interest rates, food and grocery prices, wages and so on as far more tangible and immediate problems.
 
It makes one wonder just how dinkum the Labour Party is when it comes to controlling the Treasury bench.
It would appear that shooting oneself in the foot, nah feet, is their speciality.
Are they going to be a one term Govt when the next election is called????
 
So , give us a few of the "lies and misinformation".

The point of the article is this

"Australia’s local right reliably mimics whatever the ratbag end of American politics does next, meaning we can expect to see the tools they’ve used to oppose the Voice become standard practice – lies and conspiracy theories constantly fed into the echo chambers, Australians going down the American path of constant division."

Reading this thread its clearly the case.
 
That's actually a bad thing IMO. As much as I despise the current iteration of the Labor Party, there is no way the foetid cabal of chinless cretins that is the current Coalition, deserve to be anywhere near government.

The reality is that because of tribalism and the putrid voting system, we get stuck with one or the other, both WEF stooges.

@#$&ing depressing.
 
Do you want to be more specific about what you consider to be lies and disinformation in the Yes Case ?
 
The No campaign just needs to sit back and watch for the rest of the game because the Yes campaign has played so badly. It's ironic because most of the damage to the Yes campaign was done by itself.

A lot of people had their minds made up before this thread even started. It's just when they dug deeper into facts, they found more reason to enforce their decision about it.
 
“There has been an inability to explain how the voice would work and, in the absence of substance, the vacuum has filled with trivia and invective.”


 
Even the One Nation Party is making more sense than what Labor is doing at the moment and Hansen has said some of the dumbest things I've heard a politician say in their life. Sara Game brought a bill into the upper house where politicians have to disclose expenditures for travel rorts.
 
“There has been an inability to explain how the voice would work and, in the absence of substance, the vacuum has filled with trivia and invective.”
Close to 13 years in the making, one of the most important parts of the whole committee, and not one person can give a decisive answer.

I think they should refund the rest of Australia for all the money they wasted on this committee or at least have a royal commission into where funding has vanished.

How many migrants come to Australia that have suffered generational trauma from genocide get on with their lives, by getting a job, and becoming part of society? Australia has had enough of these BS excuses, time to spend the money on psychologists and life coaches to help these people climb out of the rut, make something meaningful of their lives, and not fund things that constantly keep them in the same place.
 
“There has been an inability to explain how the voice would work and, in the absence of substance, the vacuum has filled with trivia and invective.”
Hah, I wouldn't call highlighting the stated agenda and goals, as voiced by Mayo, Langdon et al, as trivia and invective.

These journos certainly have a problem with objectivity
 
Hah, I wouldn't call highlighting the stated agenda and goals, as voiced by Mayo, Langdon et al, as trivia and invective.

These journos certainly have a problem with objectivity
They disassociated themselves from Mayo & Tealy Reid really fast, the problem with trying that with a person such as Langton with a big ego and matriarchal figure is a bit hard.

You've heard of the term selective hearing, the journos have selective hearing and selective reporting.
 
Warren Mundine put David Speers in his place on Insiders.

Worth watching if you haven't already seen it.
David Speers explaining why an aboriginal is wrong for having his opinion and trying to trip him up with loaded questions, so what has changed in the ABC? Nothing, elites telling everyone what to think, situation normal.
The war orphans that were sent to Australia and abused, do they qualify as disadvantaged, in effect they were stolen from their country transported and in many cases abused.
They are seeking compensation as should happen, sectionalising a sector of the community based on race wont end well IMO.

Compensation I can understand, enshrining ongoing special treatment based on race will end badly, IMO it is just another disaster in the making.
 
Warren Mundine put David Speers in his place on Insiders.

Worth watching if you haven't already seen it.
As per usual you get the media presenting what they want to take from the Mundine interview. As Mundine said, there needs to be discussion to arrive at what best suits the aboriginal situation, but as usual the media cherry pick points to cause division, magic.

Maybe the reporter could focus on the point they both agree that the voice to parliament isn't their chosen way forward, rather than whether they agree on Australia day and or treaties, those issues as Albo says aren't on the agenda, but when has that worried the media.


Warren Mundine says voting against a voice to Parliament will make it easier for Indigenous people to secure treaties while backing a change to the date of Australia Day, two positions strikingly at odds with those of other prominent No campaigners.
High-profile opponents of constitutional change such as opposition Indigenous affairs spokeswoman Jacinta Nampijinpa Price have argued that voters should reject a voice to parliament because the body would open the door to treaties and lobby to shift Australia Day away from January 26.
 
Do yourselves a favour and look at a series of videos by Peter Santello that visits Native Indian reverses in the US on Y-Tube. They are very well done from a neutral perspective and a respectful point of view. He looks into the richest to the poorest reserves and they all basically have the same problems at different levels, some even amplified by the self-governance. They went into reparation and treaties years ago.


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