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The Voice

Noel Pearson says welcome to country can be overused​

"Yes campaign architect Noel Pearson has argued that welcome to country can be overused, often resulting in a dilution of the meaning of the acknowledgement.

“I think we’re still in the learning phase [and] we ought to come to a consensus about when we use the welcome,” the Indigenous rights activist said on 2GB"

They make it up as they go along.
 


This pretty much sums it up -

Barely a decade ago, Wayne Swan, seething in a rage worthy of the Greek furies, denounced “highly misleading campaigns” funded by “industry deep pockets in an attempt to influence public opinion”. Unless “this poison” was excised, he argued, “the voices of the majority (would be) drowned out by a well-funded handful”.
But now, as the Yes camp unleashes its torrents of corporate dollars, yesterday’s filthy lucre has, it seems, been washed of all sin. “Pecunia non olet” – money doesn’t smell – said the Romans; and, in one of those curious reversals that marks our age, no one could agree more heartily, at least in this instance, than the usually censorious left.
Whether investors share that view is another matter. After all, company directors rarely stand for election on the basis of their political preferences: what they proffer is their commercial acumen, not their convictions about social justice.


 
Exactly.

That is a very nice piece of writing also, I will have to keep an eye out for more of his stuff.
 
by inferring when Labor are in the worker is looked after,
When Labor are in the unions are looked after, which isn't necessarily the same as the workers.

When the Coalition is in, business is looked after, which is definitely not the workers.
 
When Labor are in the unions are looked after, which isn't necessarily the same as the workers.

When the Coalition is in, business is looked after, which is definitely not the workers.
When Labor are in the Govt and their mates in the union are looked after, because the workers have no leverage.

When the Coalition is in the union are in just as much $hit as the workers, so the union fight like hell, because their ar$e in in a sling, the same as the workers.
The old Labor party being a party for the worker, is a really nice fairy tale past down from father to son, it isnt actually cutting it any more as can be seen by union membership and voter demographics.
By the way I was a fully paid up member of the union my whole working career.
Now union membership is something like 10%.
You can dress it up any way you like, but workers aren't wearing it these days.
Sad really.
Like I've said over the years, Labor have great feel good ideas, that usually end up being lasting pain in the ar$e for the working class, this voice has every chance of becoming the next in lne.
The last time Labor were in, they enshrined an extra two years of work, for the blue collar workers, but all the rusted on Laborites go on about is workchoices, that was thrown out along with Howard, but it carries more weight than making hard working blue collar workers stay at work an extra two years.
Go figure. Lol
I will be surprised if Labor and the industry funds don't push for a 70 retirement age.
Time will tell.
The NBN still losing money, the tax payer who paid for it, got more expensive internet and what was free to air, becamr pay to view, meanwhile the telcos who make more money from it paid fck all for it. Magic.
 
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Why aren't there any penalties awarded for their wrong doing? I think it's time they defund ABC as it clearly shows a one sided veiw.


I never watch Sky News, but I watch ABC News24, and they run almost continual propaganda for the Yes side.

The number of interviews they give to pro voice people versus the No case is palpably one-sided and not appropriate for the national broadcaster in my opinion.
 
It's inevitable that the ABC will go one day. The original point of it was to get information to the community throughout Australia but now everyone has a smartphone and can access news from anywhere anytime it's irrelevant. It's a self licking ice cream like much of the public service. At best it should be defunded and commercialised. Even the Leftards don't like it now because Speers is a presenter asking harder questions.
 

I just think they should put actual journalists in charge, not social activists.
 
I think these numbers under represent the no voters.

I wonder who will be the first to challenge Airbus when this fails.




Support for the Voice to Parliament is in “freefall”, having dropped 5 per cent in a month, and is now below 40 per cent in every state except Victoria.

The RedBridge poll, taken in the first week of September after Anthony Albanese announced October 14 as the referendum day, found only 39 per cent of people said they planned to vote Yes for the constitutional amendment, while 61 per cent planned to vote No.

RedBridge’s results for the Voice are particularly stark because, unlike other pollsters, it forces respondents to make a choice between Yes and No, rather than saying they are undecided.

But these results are almost identical to a Freshwater Strategy poll taken last week that found the No case ahead 59 per cent to 41 per cent when undecided voters were excluded.

According to this poll, 15 per cent of voters still could not say which way they would vote, or which way they were leaning. But it found 50 per cent of voters declared they planned to vote No, compared to 35 per cent who planned to vote Yes.
 
I occasionally watch 4corners on ABC these days, and I don't really watch much of Sky channel other than the feeds that turn up on y-tube. You watch one on the voice then google profiles you and get them turn up in your youtube feed automatically. I fact check most things in anycase. Many Australians are still voting yes on the fact that labor is advising them to, when you ask them for any details about the voice they can't answer anything. I think the worst is still yet to come with all of this.

You don't see them host Jacinta Price or Warren Mundine, so not much support for a different view from the other side. I usually see local news turn up faster on my social media accounts, I'm sure that's where most of the mainstream media these days hang out and get its content from anyway. I can usually read between the lines when I get first account news and work out what's true or false, rather media portraying one side to suit their agenda of the day.
 
Has been a one-sided provider of information for years. just look at the live export trade
An unpaid voice for PETA and cohorts of the same ilk.
 

Pretty much dead and buried going by the trend (never fight a trend in trading) so big political win to Dutton saying No, it will be interesting how voters treat Dutton down the road if they dump him like Abbott another No campaigner on everything but no vision on future requirements.

Oh well I guess no progress on Aboriginal matters I wonder where Labor goes now since it has paid a political cost for no result trying to make a change to help.

Meanwhile tax payers will keep pouring money in not knowing where or who to while the gap report continues to punch out stark numbers each year.

PS pat yourself on the back eh.
 
I just think they should put actual journalists in charge, not social activists.

Agreed.

The ABC was once a great source of balanced information and education. It lost its way when various governments thought that massive budget increases would make for a better ABC. They were wrong. When money becomes no object it creates waste, people look at all sorts of ways to spend their budgets so that they can keep asking for more. It attracts all sorts of people, and it is not always the intelligent and resourceful, it is also groups with agendas, and mediocrity.

I still believe that the ABC is required, they just need to go back to the original core values, and they need their budget cut by at least 25%, to start with. Staff wages should be close to minimum wages, bring in graduates to learn a trade and then let them chase higher wages from the private sector here and overseas.
 
Albanese has failed the Australian people.

If the referendum is carried it will be a razor-thin margin. The divisions will remain. At that point the real task begins – constructing the voice in terms of its functions, composition and procedures, a daunting job. It means building, from the ground up, an exclusive Indigenous political institution, created to represent one group of Australians, yet required to win legitimacy within the operations of government and parliament and acceptance by the wider public. The challenge for our politics and national life will be immense.
Any referendum defeat, on the other hand, runs the grave risk that the wrong conclusion will be drawn, namely that the public has withdrawn its goodwill, rejected recognition and Indigenous aspirations, as distinct from rejecting a contentious model. The danger is the Yes camp, having misjudged the referendum, might then misjudge why it was defeated. If the voice goes down, the Yes camp must reflect upon itself, not the voters.
Let’s be honest. A referendum of such import needed to be bipartisan. Former chief justice Robert French said the voice was “a significant institution in our representative democracy”. The late and great barrister David Jackson said of the voice that it meant “we become a nation where, whenever we or our ancestors first came to this country, we are not all equal”.



 

Thanks mate. I think my advocacy for the no case has definitely changed the nation's opinion on this. I take full responsibility.

This could still backfire on the LNP. They might be seen to be the ones who killed the campaign, not just representing the general opinion.

But, if the vote fails, Labor are the ones to blame. They arogently went into this with a wet sail and just thought they could get away with running with a vibe. A much smarter approach would have been to legislate it first with a view to make constitutional recognition an election issue at the next poll. Maybe they considered this and realised the only hope of getting it through was to smash it through in the first term. But, it's obviously backfired in a big way. Not only will they fail in getting the Voice up but they've wrecked their first term in government to the extent that they might not get a second and Airbus' leadership will come into question. I would not be at all surprised if there's already Squealers chatter amongst the next level of leadership about who is going to depose him.

The most confounding thing about this is that the LNP leadership is not well liked. Dutton is hated and the country bloke is a tool as they most often are. If they had some likeable faces the no vote would be even more ahead.

And, closing the gap? There's only one group of people who can do that, but they don't want to leave the shade of their comfortable tree.
 
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