The Voice

[JohnDe]

Crickey Sean I would have thought this Voice BS belongs on the furtherest back burner.
Far more important things to squabble about, like medical, housing, jobs, inflation.
Oh, I forgot, they're not important as pollies/bum polishers as aren't affected by the worries that affect the peasants.

Leaches work by stealth, they latch on unbeknownst to the host and take a free feed. Some leaches give some value to the host, sometimes medicinal. The worst types are masters in deceit, hiding in plain sight while breeding and calling their buddies along for the ride, and before too long the host is weak and sick. Time to pull the leaches off.

Leeches--the good, the bad and the wiggly

 

[macca]

I am watching the Soccer in Sydney and the "welcome to country " bloke said that the didgeredoo that was being played was traditional music of Sydney.

Maybe he should check his facts, they were strictly a norther OZ instrument, not in NSW at all until quite recently.

I asked my suntanned mate could he play the Didge and he said no we never had them at all. (Hunter area)

Funny how traditions are created overnight when it suits

 

[sptrawler]

Perhaps a decent comedian could make some mileage out of this BS. What hope is there if the "leader" of the country has noidea of what he is pushing.
To me this just strengthens the NO vote even more.

Which goes back to the original issue, did Albo run this with a one each way bet?
If it wins I'm a star, if it fails it isn't my fault and we get to see how the electorate responds to being told what to do, after having to do as they were told during lockdown.
If there was no backlash and everyone just said yes, then roll out the Republic, then maybe they can do away with referendums?

 

[TimeISmoney]

I am watching the Soccer in Sydney and the "welcome to country " bloke said that the didgeredoo that was being played was traditional music of Sydney.

Maybe he should check his facts, they were strictly a norther OZ instrument, not in NSW at all until quite recently.

I asked my suntanned mate could he play the Didge and he said no we never had them at all. (Hunter area)

Funny how traditions are created overnight when it suits

It's only the ones that came from the top of the NT AFAIK.

 

[farmerge]

It's only the ones that came from the top of the NT AFAIK.

Well NSW is Australia isn't it.

 

[Sean K]

I watched Lidia's speech in full. As expected really.

 

[SirRumpole]

I watched Lidia's speech in full. As expected really.

I didn't bother.

 

[Sean K]

I didn't bother.

I shouldn't have. I was laughing at the start, but then started throwing cutlery at my TV.

 

[farmerge]

I didn't bother.

Me neither. I don't need persuading on how to vote

 

[JohnDe]

Rage is no cure to the Yes camp’s predicament​

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According to Marcia Langton, “the public square has been flooded with egregious lies about the referendum proposal”......​

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..The Yes campaigners’ rage can fairly be described as Homeric: like that of Agamemnon and Achilles, it is the fury of those who fume at not receiving the deference they believe they deserve. Like Shakespeare’s Coriolanus – in what is both the most Homeric and the most political of Shakespeare’s plays – they chafe at having to “beg of Hob and Dick their needless vouches”: that is, at having to win over the plebs by presenting a coherent case that rebuts, rather than merely vilifying, the other side.​

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And like all Homeric rages, they veer from anger into contempt, epitomised by Noel Pearson’s tirades against Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and sink into incivility.​

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Nor do the Yes camp’s intellectual leaders shy away from that fact: Megan Davis, for example, derides the calls for civility from what she terms “the civility brigade” as simply a cover-up for “marginalising already marginal groups” – a seemingly incongruous description of the lavishly funded and officially backed Yes campaign.​

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What Davis and others forget, however, is what the ancients well knew: that Homeric rage, with its trashing of civic coexistence, is an open invitation to Nemesis, the goddess of retribution against arrogance, who, by blinding the hubristic to reality, leads them into the humiliation of defeat and the agonies of doom.​

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Of course, viewed in contemporary perspective, that blood-soaked denouement seems better suited to the Homeric era than to our own. Fortunately, the modern world offers a milder, but no less devastating, cure to the pretensions of all those who rage at their critics – a cure, worth quoting in full, that Alice, travelling through Wonderland, spells out when she refuses to answer the Queen of Heart’s ridiculous questions.​

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“ ‘How should I know?’ said Alice, surprised at her own courage. ‘It’s no business of mine.’ The Queen turned crimson with fury, and, after glaring at her for a moment like a wild beast, began screaming ‘Off with her head! Off with …’. ‘Nonsense!’ said Alice, very loudly and decidedly – and the Queen was silent.”​

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With outraged cries of “off with their heads!” bellowing across Australia, who could possibly put it better?​

 

[farmerge]

Rage is no cure to the Yes camp’s predicament​

​

According to Marcia Langton, “the public square has been flooded with egregious lies about the referendum proposal”......​

​

..The Yes campaigners’ rage can fairly be described as Homeric: like that of Agamemnon and Achilles, it is the fury of those who fume at not receiving the deference they believe they deserve. Like Shakespeare’s Coriolanus – in what is both the most Homeric and the most political of Shakespeare’s plays – they chafe at having to “beg of Hob and Dick their needless vouches”: that is, at having to win over the plebs by presenting a coherent case that rebuts, rather than merely vilifying, the other side.​

​

And like all Homeric rages, they veer from anger into contempt, epitomised by Noel Pearson’s tirades against Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and sink into incivility.​

​

Nor do the Yes camp’s intellectual leaders shy away from that fact: Megan Davis, for example, derides the calls for civility from what she terms “the civility brigade” as simply a cover-up for “marginalising already marginal groups” – a seemingly incongruous description of the lavishly funded and officially backed Yes campaign.​

​

What Davis and others forget, however, is what the ancients well knew: that Homeric rage, with its trashing of civic coexistence, is an open invitation to Nemesis, the goddess of retribution against arrogance, who, by blinding the hubristic to reality, leads them into the humiliation of defeat and the agonies of doom.​

​

Of course, viewed in contemporary perspective, that blood-soaked denouement seems better suited to the Homeric era than to our own. Fortunately, the modern world offers a milder, but no less devastating, cure to the pretensions of all those who rage at their critics – a cure, worth quoting in full, that Alice, travelling through Wonderland, spells out when she refuses to answer the Queen of Heart’s ridiculous questions.​

​

“ ‘How should I know?’ said Alice, surprised at her own courage. ‘It’s no business of mine.’ The Queen turned crimson with fury, and, after glaring at her for a moment like a wild beast, began screaming ‘Off with her head! Off with …’. ‘Nonsense!’ said Alice, very loudly and decidedly – and the Queen was silent.”​

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With outraged cries of “off with their heads!” bellowing across Australia, who could possibly put it better?​

And to put it simply from me it is a resounding NO I'll be ticking.

 

[Sean K]

Rage is no cure to the Yes camp’s predicament​

​

According to Marcia Langton, “the public square has been flooded with egregious lies about the referendum proposal”......​

​

..The Yes campaigners’ rage can fairly be described as Homeric: like that of Agamemnon and Achilles, it is the fury of those who fume at not receiving the deference they believe they deserve. Like Shakespeare’s Coriolanus – in what is both the most Homeric and the most political of Shakespeare’s plays – they chafe at having to “beg of Hob and Dick their needless vouches”: that is, at having to win over the plebs by presenting a coherent case that rebuts, rather than merely vilifying, the other side.​

​

And like all Homeric rages, they veer from anger into contempt, epitomised by Noel Pearson’s tirades against Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, and sink into incivility.​

​

Nor do the Yes camp’s intellectual leaders shy away from that fact: Megan Davis, for example, derides the calls for civility from what she terms “the civility brigade” as simply a cover-up for “marginalising already marginal groups” – a seemingly incongruous description of the lavishly funded and officially backed Yes campaign.​

​

What Davis and others forget, however, is what the ancients well knew: that Homeric rage, with its trashing of civic coexistence, is an open invitation to Nemesis, the goddess of retribution against arrogance, who, by blinding the hubristic to reality, leads them into the humiliation of defeat and the agonies of doom.​

​

Of course, viewed in contemporary perspective, that blood-soaked denouement seems better suited to the Homeric era than to our own. Fortunately, the modern world offers a milder, but no less devastating, cure to the pretensions of all those who rage at their critics – a cure, worth quoting in full, that Alice, travelling through Wonderland, spells out when she refuses to answer the Queen of Heart’s ridiculous questions.​

​

“ ‘How should I know?’ said Alice, surprised at her own courage. ‘It’s no business of mine.’ The Queen turned crimson with fury, and, after glaring at her for a moment like a wild beast, began screaming ‘Off with her head! Off with …’. ‘Nonsense!’ said Alice, very loudly and decidedly – and the Queen was silent.”​

​

With outraged cries of “off with their heads!” bellowing across Australia, who could possibly put it better?​

This was a good piece by Ergas.

 

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[JohnDe]

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I climbed it, and signed the book at the top.

 

[Sean K]

I climbed it, and signed the book at the top.

I was lucky to climb up it on a school trip circa 1985.

Do you think Aboriginals ever climbed up it? I don't quite understand why it's off limits. Maybe they never did??

 

[StockyGuy]

I was lucky to climb up it on a school trip circa 1985.

Do you think Aboriginals ever climbed up it? I don't quite understand why it's off limits. Maybe they never did??

You'd think they MADE it. Maybe they put a few hand stencils on it??

 

[sptrawler]

Climbed it a couple of times, I couldn't do it now with the knee replacements, so it doesn't affect me.
There are some great photo's to be had from the top, of the Olgas and Mount Connor.

 

[JohnDe]

Do you think Aboriginals ever climbed up it? I don't quite understand why it's off limits. Maybe they never did??

Funny that. No written records of the past 30,000 years, except for an Elder in the 80's or thereabouts saying that because it is sacred no one can walk on it.

 

[TimeISmoney]

I climbed it, and signed the book at the top.

They're full of it, I've spent the last 15 years long distance mountain biking and I've barely seen the odd indigenous enjoying the bush. They're trying to go for native title everywhere in Qld, I've never seen them cleaning any rubbish up or doing any traditional ceremonies, how much do they care for this land? The ones that I do see, I seem to know more about the local folk law than they do, nothing has been passed onto the younger generations. It's you're typical when someone has any interest in the land then they see a monetary value in it and want it.

 

[TimeISmoney]

A constitutional law professor comments on the Uluru statement.