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Very concerning story about changes in HECS repayments which have just come into effect
Long story short hundreds of thousands of graduates will be losing a ton more money soon - in fact a pay rise could result in taking home less money !

Not a good sign for boosting the economy.


Tax
Do you understand the Hecs changes? Read this and be afraid for the entire economy
Naaman Zhou

Now you can get a pay rise but end up paying more than you got. It’s simple but pernicious maths

Not enough people understand the maths behind Hecs. If we did, we would all shudder.

Not just on behalf of students, but for the whole economy.

On Monday the Hecs repayment threshold income was slashed to just $45,881 – the largest percentage drop in 23 years, the second-largest since Hecs began.

Hecs debt repayment changes: why more people will be forced to pay off student loans
Read more
It came in a week when the Reserve Bank told the country to, essentially, please spend more. The government has now passed huge income tax cuts aiming at achieving the same thing – to put more money in wallets and to get people to use it.

The catch? For hundreds of thousands of workers the benefit of that tax cut will be wiped out by the Hecs change. Completely. We’re back to the beginning.

There are two parts to the problem. The first is simple – lowering the threshold removes the point of the tax cut for everyone the new threshold touches.

The old threshold was $52,000. The government’s tax change has added $550 to an already legislated tax cut of $530. So for a salary of $50,000, you would have received $530 but paid no Hecs. Now you get $1,080 and pay $500. That’s your benefit gone.

The second part is that the Reserve Bank wants you to have a pay rise. The problem is that Hecs eats voraciously into it.

People seem to forget that Hecs has a different bracket structure to tax. Bracket creep under Hecs is brutal – it makes income tax brackets look weak. You can get a pay rise but end up repaying more than you received.

It affects your take-home pay, at a low income, when you – and the economy – need it the most

It’s simple but pernicious maths. Hecs applies a flat percentage to the whole of your earnings. As you earn more, that flat rate goes up. It’s not like income tax – where only the increase is hit with a higher rate.

Say you are on $51,000 a year. You’ll now be paying 1% to Hecs, which is $510 a year.

Then you get a $2,000 raise. That puts you to $53,000. You are now paying 2% Hecs, but it’s applied to your whole $53,000 earnings, not just the raise.

So you’re now paying $1,060 to Hecs. That’s $550 more, out of a $2,000 raise – and that’s not even counting the extra tax. That’s $650 more.

You’re left with only $800 of your $2,000 raise.

The bracket creep-fearers and the high-income earners who say “What’s the point of making more if just means more tax” would faint if that happened to them.

In a more extreme case, if you earned $52,500 a year and got a $500 raise, you’d go from paying $525 in Hecs to $1,060. You’re actually now $35 worse off.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ead-this-and-be-afraid-for-the-entire-economy
 
Very concerning story about changes in HECS repayments which have just come into effect
Long story short hundreds of thousands of graduates will be losing a ton more money soon - in fact a pay rise could result in taking home less money !

Not a good sign for boosting the economy.


Tax
Do you understand the Hecs changes? Read this and be afraid for the entire economy
Naaman Zhou

Now you can get a pay rise but end up paying more than you got. It’s simple but pernicious maths

Not enough people understand the maths behind Hecs. If we did, we would all shudder.

Not just on behalf of students, but for the whole economy.

On Monday the Hecs repayment threshold income was slashed to just $45,881 – the largest percentage drop in 23 years, the second-largest since Hecs began.

Hecs debt repayment changes: why more people will be forced to pay off student loans
Read more
It came in a week when the Reserve Bank told the country to, essentially, please spend more. The government has now passed huge income tax cuts aiming at achieving the same thing – to put more money in wallets and to get people to use it.

The catch? For hundreds of thousands of workers the benefit of that tax cut will be wiped out by the Hecs change. Completely. We’re back to the beginning.

There are two parts to the problem. The first is simple – lowering the threshold removes the point of the tax cut for everyone the new threshold touches.

The old threshold was $52,000. The government’s tax change has added $550 to an already legislated tax cut of $530. So for a salary of $50,000, you would have received $530 but paid no Hecs. Now you get $1,080 and pay $500. That’s your benefit gone.

The second part is that the Reserve Bank wants you to have a pay rise. The problem is that Hecs eats voraciously into it.

People seem to forget that Hecs has a different bracket structure to tax. Bracket creep under Hecs is brutal – it makes income tax brackets look weak. You can get a pay rise but end up repaying more than you received.

It affects your take-home pay, at a low income, when you – and the economy – need it the most

It’s simple but pernicious maths. Hecs applies a flat percentage to the whole of your earnings. As you earn more, that flat rate goes up. It’s not like income tax – where only the increase is hit with a higher rate.

Say you are on $51,000 a year. You’ll now be paying 1% to Hecs, which is $510 a year.

Then you get a $2,000 raise. That puts you to $53,000. You are now paying 2% Hecs, but it’s applied to your whole $53,000 earnings, not just the raise.

So you’re now paying $1,060 to Hecs. That’s $550 more, out of a $2,000 raise – and that’s not even counting the extra tax. That’s $650 more.

You’re left with only $800 of your $2,000 raise.

The bracket creep-fearers and the high-income earners who say “What’s the point of making more if just means more tax” would faint if that happened to them.

In a more extreme case, if you earned $52,500 a year and got a $500 raise, you’d go from paying $525 in Hecs to $1,060. You’re actually now $35 worse off.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ead-this-and-be-afraid-for-the-entire-economy
Maybe they could circumvent that by putting their "raise" into their super and their income wouldn't change ?
 
Maybe they could circumvent that by putting their "raise" into their super and their income wouldn't change ?
Maybe they could become tradies, and actually get jobs, rather than having to import people while everyone does an arts degree.
 
Being expected to pay back a government debt a smidgen earlier is a bad thing? It's in one's interest to get out of debt ASAP. Too many middle aged people around with old HECS debts (who so often now working in utterly unrelated field) who don't consider it a "real" debt.
 
I think it will just encourage people to move overseas and we will lose the investment.
How many jobs do you think there are overseas for art degrees?
In Australia, we can't get students, to go into science and engineering courses.
 
Very concerning story about changes in HECS repayments which have just come into effect
Long story short hundreds of thousands of graduates will be losing a ton more money soon - in fact a pay rise could result in taking home less money !

Not a good sign for boosting the economy.


Tax
Do you understand the Hecs changes? Read this and be afraid for the entire economy
Naaman Zhou

Now you can get a pay rise but end up paying more than you got. It’s simple but pernicious maths

Not enough people understand the maths behind Hecs. If we did, we would all shudder.

Not just on behalf of students, but for the whole economy.

On Monday the Hecs repayment threshold income was slashed to just $45,881 – the largest percentage drop in 23 years, the second-largest since Hecs began.

Hecs debt repayment changes: why more people will be forced to pay off student loans
Read more
It came in a week when the Reserve Bank told the country to, essentially, please spend more. The government has now passed huge income tax cuts aiming at achieving the same thing – to put more money in wallets and to get people to use it.

The catch? For hundreds of thousands of workers the benefit of that tax cut will be wiped out by the Hecs change. Completely. We’re back to the beginning.

There are two parts to the problem. The first is simple – lowering the threshold removes the point of the tax cut for everyone the new threshold touches.

The old threshold was $52,000. The government’s tax change has added $550 to an already legislated tax cut of $530. So for a salary of $50,000, you would have received $530 but paid no Hecs. Now you get $1,080 and pay $500. That’s your benefit gone.

The second part is that the Reserve Bank wants you to have a pay rise. The problem is that Hecs eats voraciously into it.

People seem to forget that Hecs has a different bracket structure to tax. Bracket creep under Hecs is brutal – it makes income tax brackets look weak. You can get a pay rise but end up repaying more than you received.

It affects your take-home pay, at a low income, when you – and the economy – need it the most

It’s simple but pernicious maths. Hecs applies a flat percentage to the whole of your earnings. As you earn more, that flat rate goes up. It’s not like income tax – where only the increase is hit with a higher rate.

Say you are on $51,000 a year. You’ll now be paying 1% to Hecs, which is $510 a year.

Then you get a $2,000 raise. That puts you to $53,000. You are now paying 2% Hecs, but it’s applied to your whole $53,000 earnings, not just the raise.

So you’re now paying $1,060 to Hecs. That’s $550 more, out of a $2,000 raise – and that’s not even counting the extra tax. That’s $650 more.

You’re left with only $800 of your $2,000 raise.

The bracket creep-fearers and the high-income earners who say “What’s the point of making more if just means more tax” would faint if that happened to them.

In a more extreme case, if you earned $52,500 a year and got a $500 raise, you’d go from paying $525 in Hecs to $1,060. You’re actually now $35 worse off.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ead-this-and-be-afraid-for-the-entire-economy
I guess, for good of the economy it is hoped that we would spend our pay increase / tax saving that assist in job creating. The 'HECS creep' is counter to that, but what do you do; increase the HECS repayment thresholds? There comes a time when debt has to be repaid.
 
I guess, for good of the economy it is hoped that we would spend our pay increase / tax saving that assist in job creating.
My sample size is statistically insignificant but still, what I've heard thus far hasn't included a single example of someone who plans to use the money in a way that will actually boost the local economy.

Repaying some sort of debt, either an "official" debt such as a loan or an "unofficial" one such as utility bills, rates or rent that's late is one that gets a mention.

Overseas holidays another.

Saving / investing due to concerns about the future is the other.

That seems to capture what most are saying with anything else being an outlier and none of that generates more than minor incidental activity within Australia. Debts repaid, bank deposits, buying shares, going overseas - the flow on to the domestic economy is really just the incidentals.

Time will tell.
 
Of course, I think what is Considered Left in the USA is much closer to what we would call middle or slightly right which is where I sit.

America’s Republican Party has evolved into a far right wing party in my opinion, our government is much closer to the USA Democratic Party in their views mostly.

Not to mention Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is smart, funny and much more beautiful than Trump, Hahahaha
The Dems have become a very broad church (as are most political parties). Their corporatist Democrat arm, Pelosi et al are probably pretty close to our Liberals (which is actually where Trump is, believe it or not).

Then you have Komrade Bernie who is closer to our Labor Party, but then you have the lunatic extreme leftist radicals like AOC and Omar. These are the most visible Dems right now, aided and abetted by Trump himself. As such, it is forcing the moderates to pander to the extreme... brilliant strategy by the Shxtlord in Chief.

As such, it will be a cakewalk for the God-Emperor in 2020.:laugh:

Nothing about the 'Pubs is *extreme right. Maybe some ultra conservative elements, but one should not follow the antifa supporting narrative of CNN et al, it's #fakenews. :xyxthumbs
 
AOC will cost the Dems a landslide defeat. This is why Pelosi and the moderates are trying to tell her to sit down and STFU.
I think you listen to Fox News types to much.

If you actually listen to be things Alexandria says (rather than what her opponents say she says), she is pretty much on the mark.
 
AOC will cost the Dems a landslide defeat. This is why Pelosi and the moderates are trying to tell her to sit down and STFU.
I don't follow U.S politics at all, but with all the press Trump attracts, it is always something I mention when talking to Americans.
From the feedback I have had, meeting Yanks in my travels, they all seem to say the same thing. He seems crazy, but the economy is improving a lot, so they will vote for him next election.
Time will tell.
 
I think you listen to Fox News types to much.

If you actually listen to be things Alexandria says (rather than what her opponents say she says), she is pretty much on the mark.

Her actions speak louder, like stopping Amazon setting up in NY.
 
I think you listen to Fox News types to much.

If you actually listen to be things Alexandria says (rather than what her opponents say she says), she is pretty much on the mark.
I don't listen to any news VC.

But... Green new deal anyone?
 
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