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The state of the economy at the street level

It's a red herring, most of these B&Bs are in expensive areas or holiday areas, how many people will go there and find work or afford the living style of a holiday destination?

Just remove negative gearing and CGT discounts on investment properties.

Like Labor wanted to do before they lost the election.
Look at Germany they don't have rebates or Neg gearing for investors and something like 50% of the populace rent, Australia only has 33% renting. Removing Neg gearing will barely do anything other than a change to different hands of investors types. The biggest problem Australia faces is the building of new stock as the population grows, builders are going under and the cost of materials is sky high.
 
Why are there so many jobs?
Is it because you need 2-3 millennial/gen z to replace a boomer or something
3 to replace a speed freak ( substance-abuser ) in my experience and he was done ( finished and exhausted) by 2.30 pm , plenty of time to double-check the task and look for lost tools , to boot

but more likely they are all doing the extra layers of paperwork generated by ever-expanding government
 
I don't think politicians make up 72% of property investors, so I fail to see the context with regard my post.

Also just because someone doesn't make a loss, doesn't mean that tax was paid on the rent, as would be the case if they owned the property.
Or if it couldn't claimed as a deduction, as Labor possibly was suggesting for established properties in the 2019 election.
So could you expand on what you are responding to, or are you just posting up a statement of fact?
 
I'm saying that there are not that many IP investors that have more than one IP like the Greens like to point out all the time, politicians have to disclose their interests also, and there aren't that many that are multiple holders either. Getting rid of rebates and or neg gearing will cause a bigger housing problem in the end.
 

Looks like things may change-

In Melbourne, large overseas superannuation and other international institutions are contracting to erect large “build for rent” developments, which will change the nature of apartment development there and later Australia.

 
I agree with that, however I think the States should bring back their housing commissions, where the Govt actually employed the people to build social housing and owned and operated it.
It is like any essential service, the service has to be built before the population grows to require it, similar to the electricity network you don't wait until there isn't enough power to supply the people before you put in more, you install extra capacity in preperation for the increased demand, it's called planning.
The Govt knows how many extra immigrants they are going to allow to enter, they know how many people are on the waiting list, they have a fair idea of how much social housing is going to be required and when.
The private sector wait until the demand is there before installing extra dwellings, they would go broke otherwise and also they have no control over immigration.
The same goes for land releases, water and sewage, they all have to be planned and installed before the current systems are at capacity.
Delegating the social housing to the private sector, as with a lot of other services that have been privatised, it appears to be coming to its use by date.
Also IMO it isn't about how many properties people negative gear, it is about the cost to the taxpayer that the individual claims, for example 1 person owning 5 properties and only getting $2k of negative gearing, is a lot different from someone only owning 1 property worth say $15m and getting a $1m negative geared tax offset (just random figures for example purposes).
The other problem with negative gearing and investment residential property is, negative gearing is meant to assist an investor during the early phase, in the expectation that the business will become positive geared and then pay tax, a lot of investment properties don't work on that premise they are bought at a ridiculously high purchase price with the expectation of a capital gain.
Therefore it falls under the umbrella of a speculative investment IMO and really losses should only be able to be carried forward, as an offset against a capital gain IMO.
But everyone has their own take on it.

By the way here is an article on how many investment properties politicians own.
From the article:
In the 47th Parliament, there are 510 properties owned by 227 federal members of Parliament (MPs). That’s an average of 2.25 properties per MP.

Multiple home ownership is overrepresented in federal Parliament; 144 MPs own more than one property. In fact, more MPs own three or more properties (84) than those who own one property or fewer (83). Many MPs own a second home in Canberra, investment properties and holiday homes.
 
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Yes, well, people don't live in pieces of paper, ie housing is a different asset class than shares.

Housing policies should ensure that as many people as possible should be able to own their own home for security in retirement rather than encouraging people who already own their own home to own someone else's as well.
 

I'm not disagreeing with you on that aspect but it isn't the point I was making.
 
I'm not disagreeing with you on that aspect but it isn't the point I was making.

Yes I understand the point you were making, I'm just saying that housing and shares don't have to be treated the same for tax purposes.

Negative gearing can be kept on shares if that's really considered necessary and removed for residential property, there is nothing stopping governments from doing that.
 
That would then make the investment have to stand up on its merits, it would also cause the price of building a house, reflect the return that can be earned from it.
No doubt there would be a huge shock in some markets, but in reality isnt that what is needed?
 
Take care on that. CGT discounts also applies to shares. If adopting such a proposal it can be argued it is inequitable to apply it to one investment class but not the other
Housing policies should ensure that as many people as possible should be able to own their own home for security in retirement rather than encouraging people who already own their own home to own someone else's as well.
I'll argue to go half way.

Give tax incentives for new housing construction but not for those who simply buy existing properties.

We need more housing built so if we're going to tilt the table then tilt it in favour of that outcome.

Note that means genuine new housing not simply knocking one down and replacing it etc but actual new housing as such. Possible exemption if the old house is legitimately destroyed and insurance paid out etc (but tightly controlled so as to avoid a sudden spate of arson.....).
 
Ithink it is called a sucker line to get the suckers into the shop so they will then buy
 
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