The ScoMo Government

[mullokintyre]

There are many people who need something to give them hope for eternal life, coz they can't abide the idea that humans are an accident of the universe rather than a piss poor design by some creationist deity.
Religons are all about power, usually male power at that.
The promoters say that only they can intercede to the gods on behalf of the general population, and thus they will be saved or something along the lines.
It gives them power over the faithful, and a nice little income to boot as the foolish ones tithe their income to the greedy.
Religion gives solace and a reason for being to some.
Personally , I think anyone who believes in and worships deities are lacking logic, but I will defend to the death their right to believe and worship.
Mick

 

[wayneL]

If a school hires a maths teacher it doesn't matter wbat relgion they are.

True, but maths transcends religion and politics

 

[SirRumpole]

True, but maths transcends religion and politics

So does physics, chemistry, economics and woodworking. Are you saying that employing a person of a different religion to teach those subjects affect how they are taught ?

 

[wayneL]

There are many people who need something to give them hope for eternal life, coz they can't abide the idea that humans are an accident of the universe rather than a piss poor design by some creationist deity.
Religons are all about power, usually male power at that.
The promoters say that only they can intercede to the gods on behalf of the general population, and thus they will be saved or something along the lines.
It gives them power over the faithful, and a nice little income to boot as the foolish ones tithe their income to the greedy.
Religion gives solace and a reason for being to some.
Personally , I think anyone who believes in and worships deities are lacking logic, but I will defend to the death their right to believe and worship.
Mick

My view is that the truth may be completely different to any of those possibilities

There are many people who need something to give them hope for eternal life, coz they can't abide the idea that humans are an accident of the universe rather than a piss poor design by some creationist deity.
Religons are all about power, usually male power at that.
The promoters say that only they can intercede to the gods on behalf of the general population, and thus they will be saved or something along the lines.
It gives them power over the faithful, and a nice little income to boot as the foolish ones tithe their income to the greedy.
Religion gives solace and a reason for being to some.
Personally , I think anyone who believes in and worships deities are lacking logic, but I will defend to the death their right to believe and worship.
Mick

For me, that is completely ok, because in the end I don't think it matters.

There are the religious who are completely immoral, and then there are the completely irreligious who are absolutely moral.

Choose your path

 

[wayneL]

So does physics, chemistry, economics and woodworking. Are you saying that employing a person of a different religion to teach those subjects affect how they are taught ?

In those instances, it is completely irrelevant, I agree.
3D

 

[SirRumpole]

Personally , I think anyone who believes in and worships deities are lacking logic, but I will defend to the death their right to believe and worship.

Yes , as long as that belief and worship is totally voluntary and not enforced by 'fatwas' or other coercive means, and does not affect the rights of other people.

 

[PZ99]

Well if you're going to drag out fails, let's do a few Labor ones:

Why ? It has zip to do with the point. My post wasn't Labor vs Liberal. Not interested in tribalism.

I was responding to a suggestion that the Liberal party needed another Tony Abbott.

It's a bit strange when the poster making that suggestion had previously said the greater goal of politics was to wipe out the middle class. Abbott attacked the middle class more than any PM before or since.

Abbott might be more suited to the Lib/Dems or One Nation but definitely not Liberal

(For the record... I'm more likely to be voting for the NSW Coalition than Labor.. have done since 2011...feel free to ask me why )

 

[sptrawler]

Why ? It has zip to do with the point. My post wasn't Labor vs Liberal. Not interested in tribalism.

I was responding to a suggestion that the Liberal party needed another Tony Abbott.

It's a bit strange when the poster making that suggestion had previously said the greater goal of politics was to wipe out the middle class. Abbott attacked the middle class more than any PM before or since.

Abbott might be more suited to the Lib/Dems or One Nation but definitely not Liberal

(For the record... I'm more likely to be voting for the NSW Coalition than Labor.. have done since 2011...feel free to ask me why )

I know nothing about NSW politics, so you probably vote as you see fit and good on you. I'm in W.A for the record, voted the Libs before last election voted Labor last election, Libs were a one trick pony and he left.

With regard Abbott, I was saying he suffered from not being able to think on his feet, so the media ran circles around him and he was better being reactive (in opposition) than proactive( in Govt).

With regard Labor vs Liberal, I just thought that the constant reminders a couple of you guys manage to slip in about penalty rates, work choices etc, required a bit of balance.
There would be some on the forum, that probably think the only party that introduce draconian policies are the coalition, so I thought it only right to show that both sides of politics are capable of introducing unsavoury policies when required.
The weird thing is, only one sides legacies are remembered.
Having started work in 1971, I've lived through enough Govt's, to know neither side has the right to claim the moral high ground.
IMO the best was Gough, at least he had his heart in the right spot, his biggest stuff up was stepping on the multinational miners toes..
As usual with Labor, the idea for Australia to develop its own resources was terrific, the way they went about implementing it left something to be desired.
The best thing he did was introduce the single mothers pension, back then many women and children were trapped in an abusive relationship and there was no way out.

 

[PZ99]

I know nothing about NSW politics, so you probably vote as you see fit and good on you. I'm in W.A for the record, voted the Libs before last election voted Labor last election, Libs were a one trick pony and he left.

With regard Abbott, I was saying he suffered from not being able to think on his feet, so the media ran circles around him and he was better being reactive (in opposition) than proactive( in Govt).

With regard Labor vs Liberal, I just thought that the constant reminders a couple of you guys manage to slip in about penalty rates, work choices etc, required a bit of balance.
There would be some on the forum, that probably think the only party that introduce draconian policies are the coalition, so I thought it only right to show that both sides of politics are capable of introducing unsavoury policies when required.
The weird thing is, only one sides legacies are remembered.

Hehe... I'm sure if the Labor Party wanted to cut penalty rates and bring back Workchoices there would be plenty of "balanced" responses by the time you filter out the conspiracy theories about commies and dictatorships... most of which appear on my screen as:

 

[sptrawler]

Hehe... I'm sure if the Labor Party wanted to cut penalty rates and bring back Workchoices there would be plenty of "balanced" responses by the time you filter out the conspiracy theories about commies and dictatorships... most of which appear on my screen as:View attachment 137173

I don't ignore anyone, everyone has something to add, even if I don't agree with it.

 

[PZ99]

I don't ignore anyone, everyone has something to add, even if I don't agree with it.

No problem there .

My original point is that if the Libs, or ANY party put up a leader with austere policies they'll lose.

So I don't think Abbott's their man. I think they need a pro growth approach so that boils down to taxation reform, say removal of payroll tax or even provisional tax (now known as tax instalments)

I saw so many small businesses get wiped out by provisional tax in the past. That's just one example.

Ohh lookie... there's one of them bots already off the mark LOL ↓↓↓↓↓↓

 

[Investoradam]

Well if you're going to drag out fails, let's do a few Labor ones:
Wages accord, drop in real wages.
Tariff removal, loss of Manufacturing.
Using the military and overseas scab labour, to strike break.
Raising the retirement age from 65-67, not just talking about it, actually doing it.
Increasing qualification requirement for disability.
Removing tax advantage from established homes, give it to new builds and a bonus payment for the rich.
Higher taxes on low income earners, by removal of franking credits, from low income earners. But billionaires can keep theirs.
That's actually spread across most of labor's recent terms in office, so not just one leader, hopefully Albo doesn't continue the track record. ?

a lot of that was done by Whitlem, Hawke & keating! all 3 should have been hung for treason decades ago with the Lima Declaration.
yet the ALP laud these oxygen thieves

LIMA DECLARATION AND PLAN OF ACTION ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CO-OPERATION, 1975.

gwb.com.au

they sold to the united nations aka the rothchilds aka mr IMF and Australia is now a corporation and a whore to the world and dictated to how to run its exports/imports by the united nations at the same time selling australias sovereignty and theft of the land from its people in cluding its first nations the Aboriginals whilst at the same time pretending to care for them

 

[Investoradam]

More a removal of a tax break for people who don't pay income tax
What do you reckon Iraq cost us and for what

it cost us billions! but we are contractually orded to do so thanks to the garbage Gough & bobby Whorke under the Lima declaration!

for the record yes Howard was ok buyt very over rated. he did ok with what he could

 

[sptrawler]

a lot of that was done by Whitlem, Hawke & keating! all 3 should have been hung for treason decades ago with the Lima Declaration.
yet the ALP laud these oxygen thieves

LIMA DECLARATION AND PLAN OF ACTION ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND CO-OPERATION, 1975.

gwb.com.au

they sold to the united nations aka the rothchilds aka mr IMF and Australia is now a corporation and a whore to the world and dictated to how to run its exports/imports by the united nations at the same time selling australias sovereignty and theft of the land from its people in cluding its first nations the Aboriginals whilst at the same time pretending to care for them

That's true, but it was well intentioned to help bring third World countries out of poverty, the only problem is what happens when they become first World and you become third World.
No one factored that in. The only thing saving our standard of living, is a small population, but a 'Big Australia" has been mentioned on numerous occasions.
The other issue of course is, the multinationals like building there junk, where cheap labour and taxes are. So there is a lot of white noise about bringing manufacturing back, but I certainly wont hold my breath.

 

[sptrawler]

No problem there .

My original point is that if the Libs, or ANY party put up a leader with austere policies they'll lose.

So I don't think Abbott's their man. I think they need a pro growth approach so that boils down to taxation reform, say removal of payroll tax or even provisional tax (now known as tax instalments)

I saw so many small businesses get wiped out by provisional tax in the past. That's just one example.

I agree, the Libs are bereft of ideas, as happens after several terms in office.
It needs a completely new tack and that means a change of Govt, as I've said on numerous occasions, Labor have some great ideas it's the implementation that it usually falls down.

 

[Investoradam]

That's true, but it was well intentioned to help bring third World countries out of poverty, the only problem is what happens when they become first World and you become third World.
No one factored that in. The only thing saving our standard of living, is a small population, but a 'Big Australia" has been mentioned on numerous occasions.
The other issue of course is, the multinationals like building there junk, where cheap labour and taxes are. So there is a lot of white noise about bringing manufacturing back, but I certainly wont hold my breath.

ok boomer! you either listen to to much ABC or SKY
well thats labors current line.
secondly why is it australias responsibility to bring 3rd worlds out of povity why cant they get there **** together?
why did we have to sell our sovereignty out for this?
what future do our kids have?
our standarded of living is declining not encreasing. cost of living is sky rocketing, house prices and no wage growth as its all controlled and manuplited from over seas
garbage gough and bobby whorke introduce this globalist scam where multinationals set up off shore companied and pay little tax then ship jobs off shore to 3rd world companies at the expense of there incompetence and shite cultures for not being able to modernize from being a 3rd world **** hole.
i mean large populated countries should be able to do this far easier!

the same has happened over seas!
so what happens over the next decade and on for Australia?
the younger generations and beyone?

im mean thery thing communism is a good idea and lean to the left & history shows what happens then!

yes globalization and communism was invented by the same people! and the most stupidist of people go along with it!
lenin called you lot "useful idiots!"

you ever wonder why the world hates Putin for being a nationalist?

 

[PZ99]

Fark, the waffle is free flowing here tonight - must've had the coal chimney cleaned out

 

[sptrawler]

Fark, the waffle is free flowing here tonight - must've had the coal chimney cleaned out

Well the last election did say they had lost the grass roots voter.

 

[PZ99]

Well the last election did say they had lost the grass roots voter.

I think it's more intoxicating than grass mate

 

[mullokintyre]

No problem there .

My original point is that if the Libs, or ANY party put up a leader with austere policies they'll lose.

So I don't think Abbott's their man. I think they need a pro growth approach so that boils down to taxation reform, say removal of payroll tax or even provisional tax (now known as tax instalments)

I saw so many small businesses get wiped out by provisional tax in the past. That's just one example.

Ohh lookie... there's one of them bots already off the mark LOL ↓↓↓↓↓↓

The problem is, Payroll Tax is a state thing rather than a federal thing.
One of the outcomes that was SUPPOSED to happen after Howard introduced the GST was that a myriad of state taxes such as stamp duty, payroll taxes etc were going to be removed and replaced with a progressive consumption tax.
Of course, the states renegged on their part of the deal, so we still have these regressive taxes that vary from stste to state.
Blame the states on this one, not the feds.
Mick