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Your Views --B-- are very pessimistic. This should not be a political debate. What are kids being "force fed" that is not scientific fact? And what negative impact does this have?well clearly it does. are you unable to see this?
nothing at all wrong with clean up australia day. My concerns are based around the ever growing number of school children being force-fed greeny propaganda much of which is not supported in any way by proven scientific fact.
im not against recycling at all however i challenge the simplistic view that all recycling = good.
then apparenty the greenies have a dilemma on their hands because according to their view, excess energy consumption = bad. what about the dreaded co2 (read: plant food)??
Your Views --B-- are very pessimistic.
This should not be a political debate. What are kids being "force fed" that is not scientific fact? And what negative impact does this have?
Please tell me what mades some aspects of recycling = bad?
a good article is: http://downloads.heartland.org/2377bl.pdf
That article is 10 years old and isn't from a scientific journal but a consumer magazine.
Sounds like you are rejecting one lot of propaganda and simply embracing another because you don't like 'greenies'.
sure the article is not from a scientific journal and ive never claimed it was. I simply challenge the blanket idea that all recycling = good and clearly the article raises valid points in that regard.
i also dont think the article i provided was propaganda in the slightest. It simply raises questions and concludes with a "Yes and no" type answer which is exactly my thoughts on the issue.
I understand what you mean about the "hype". I'm saying that is hype will lead the way for the future. The way I see it, more emphasis will be put on the environment due to this hype. Not bad thing if our goal is to conserve.i simply do not get caught up in the greeny hype that is so prevalent today.
the entire GW debate is exactly that - a debate. AGW is far from being proven scientific fact however school children believe wholeheartedly that humans have "ruined" our environment. in my opinion, that in itself is a negative impact.
no doubting anything that humans do to conserve our environment is a good thing - however i believe this should be based on fact.
ive never said recycling = bad. simply that i challenge the simplistic view (obviously taught to school children) that recycling = good.
a good article is: http://downloads.heartland.org/2377bl.pdf
So some real, up to date scientific evidence of this would be appreciated.
Nobody ever thinks anything they agree with is propaganda now do they?
Kimosabi, we should nip this one in the bud before it get's a life. If you have a closer look at this weirdo's website you will see the section where he's indicating spaceships are also being sent from the sun to invade the earth.
Interesting theory, but a complete nutter in this case
That said, what are your views on the environment? Politics aside.The real issue I have with many in the Green movement is that they are very good at shutting down the debate when anyone starts to question the basis of their claims. The intention may well be good but the scientific methodology most certainly isn't robust.
Anyone with an interest in environmental politics and the Green movement overall would do well to research the history of Tasmania over the past 40 years. You'll find that both sides have swapped positions so many times it just isn't funny.
There was a time when the Greens advocated burning the forests, using coal for power and opposed any form of subsidy for renewable energy.
Likewise there was a time when the pro-development lobby was against burning wood, against coal and in favour of subsidising renewable energy.
And both sides have swapped back and forth so many times that it's hard to take anything too seriously. The pro-development side is driven by economics. The Greens simply take the opposing view. Hence the constant changing of position.
Science? Nobody's worried about that...
I don't need a politician or a scientist to tell me that things we do and have done will ruin the environment, I can see for myself.
Did not say I did not belive in scientfic fact. In fact, scientific fact is all we have. I mean't I don't need a third party to tell me the clearing of the bushland near my house has had a negative impact on the animal population. No more roos around here anymore, no more possums, galahs, trees! The rate of development on the Central Coast in the past 2 decades is crazy, much like everywhere else. Just one tiny example.see for yourself? what do you base your firm belief on then if not scientific fact?
My own personal view is simply that sustainability is the objective and that everything else is very much a secondary consideration.That said, what are your views on the environment? Politics aside.
I don't need a politician or a scientist to tell me that things we do and have done will ruin the environment, I can see for myself.
Agreed there.I'd say deforestation is a main cause of extinction for animal species... loss of habitat. Not everything is reversable.
I think I noticed this on that Al Gore DVD. What an eye opener. Makes you wonder how many terrible, hidden secrets their's out there (dunno, one for the spelling and grammar thread...teach me!). But, nature will always win, we are but mere mortals... as my Dad would sayNow we have.... OCEAN ACIDIFICATION ... - recently identified by scientists and caused by atmospheric CO2 being absorbed by the ocean to form carbonic acid.
I think I noticed this on that Al Gore DVD. What an eye opener. Makes you wonder how many terrible, hidden secrets their's out there (dunno, one for the spelling and grammar thread...teach me!). But, nature will always win, we are but mere mortals... as my Dad would say
Anyone see that doco on Chernobyl and the way nature without human influence seems to thrive? Apparently, the life span of most, some???, animals does not give the effects of radiation time to make a difference. Also, the mutant animals that arose from the disaster, almost died out completely due to natural reasons, like not being able to reproduce (like attract a mate, live long enough to reproduce etc.) Interesting, hope it wasn't propaganda.
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