The Planet is Toast

[Lucky]

Hong Kong 2005 over 3 days from our hotel. First two photos are day 1, 3rd photo Day 2, 4th Photo Day 3.

Last photo was a combination of fog and smog.

 

[ZacR]

Now obviously everyone here complaining about pollution etc drives an eco-friendly car or catches public transport every day instead of driving a 'normal' car and doesn't buy into companies that contribute to wrecking the environment on a massive scale... *cough BHP RIO etc etc cough*

 

[Santob]

As a youngish person (Under 30) I've had generations before me that ensured they profitted with reckless abandon to envionmental and social effects. But one day even the rich will have to drink dirty water and breathe polluted air. Pity they won't reap what they sow and its the generations after me that will suffer. But i'll do my best to make sure such selfish indulgences don't become a legacy.

 

[Rafa]

quite the contrary zacR...

firstly, there is money to be made...
secondly, as a shareholder, you contol the direction of the company... ethical and environmental funds are still in their infancy... but growing rapidly.

 

[Gundini]

Re: The Planet is Toast.

Can't we create giant vacuum cleaner sucker things that suck in all the bad air and pump it into the holes in the ground where the oil used to be?

Easy peasie.

Do you think I'd get a grant for that project?

That is not as silliy as it sounds. I have always wondered why they don't attempt to control the Ozone layer in a similar way that a hot air baloon works. Simply make the hole in the Ozone larger, let all the excess heat, smog, and crap out into the stratesfear, then close the bludger up!

Solves the Global Warming and polution debarcle in one hit...

Then, let the Aliens deal with it using their supersmarts!

 

[ZacR]

Rafa, that's the problem, making money is always first... although it can't be avoided can it ? We all need it to live. Greed is the issue. As far as the ethical and environmentally healthy companies are concerned, let's hope they start to make a big enough impact before it's too late... or is that time already here ?

 

[wayneL]

Now obviously everyone here complaining about pollution etc drives an eco-friendly car or catches public transport every day instead of driving a 'normal' car and doesn't buy into companies that contribute to wrecking the environment on a massive scale... *cough BHP RIO etc etc cough*

We bicycle mostly, live in a small house, buy organic etc etc.

But it's futile. We're the only ones in our peer group doing so, where conspicuous consumption scores the most admiration.

 

[Rafa]

like waynel, everyone can do their bit...
it does make some difference.... its not at futile as you think.

not buying BHP shares becuase of an ideological postion, doesn't make a bloody difference at all... that is futile!

 

[stockGURU]

Now obviously everyone here complaining about pollution etc drives an eco-friendly car or catches public transport every day instead of driving a 'normal' car and doesn't buy into companies that contribute to wrecking the environment on a massive scale... *cough BHP RIO etc etc cough*

The whole point of capitalism is to consume the planet until there is nothing of value left, and hopefully make a buck in the process.

Now, before you get all holier-than-thou on us, what are you doing to save the planet? What eco-friendly companies do you invest in?

Pointing out the hypocrisy of others only works if you're not a hypocrite yourself.

 

[ZacR]

stockGURU, I was just trying to point out that we are all in this together and that we all add to this problem in one way or another, whether we like to admit it or not. As for me, I maintain my holier than thou-ness by not partaking in the monetary system and instead survive through life on happy thoughts and positive energy. I also breathe one third amount each day that everyone else does so as to provide extra oxygen for my fellow man.

 

[Pat]

I believe humans will wake up over time. My generation was one of the first to be taught to recycle in school, we learn't about the importance of recycling, what damage waste and rubbish can do to the environment and what we can do to help. This was back in the late 80's. What are they being taught now?
Slowly the developed countries are waking up, more importantly other pressures such as cost of oil will be a catalyst to a cleaner future.
Have faith we will adapt.

 

[Spaghetti]

We were hippy generation, save the planet, save the earth, Hug a tree, save the Franklin and the Daintree. We were far more vocal and far more activist than todays youth and yet we get blamed for doing nothing. We did not do enough but to be fair, we did far more than todays youth.

Time for a revolution youngsters

 

[Kathmandu]

Looking at the rubbish getting dumped these day's eg: the Live Earth concert, it would seem the young of today don't know what a rubbish bin is.

Compared to the "Pig City" concert at QUT Brisbane on the weekend where it was a mainly 40+ crowd, there was little to no rubbish.

I drive an old recycled/restored car on LPG, and as I type I listen to go fast rice burners doing the drifter thing in the industrial estate nearby, plenty of fuel and rubber being wasted there, "But I can't afford to buy a house" they say.

Pfffttt

Dave

 

[Kimosabi]

ha, those pictures are nothing, try these out for size:

Chemtrails or Contrails, you decide???

28.06.2007 Dover England 08:45



Chemtrails (Aerial Spraying) Over Esperance, W.A

 

[Pat]

We were hippy generation, save the planet, save the earth, Hug a tree, save the Franklin and the Daintree. We were far more vocal and far more activist than todays youth and yet we get blamed for doing nothing. We did not do enough but to be fair, we did far more than todays youth.

Time for a revolution youngsters

Well you could say the "hippie revolution" is the reason we are taught about the environment in schools, and why there is now much focus on the environment, compared to the 50's for eg.
Most would say there is still not enough focus on the envirinment, as we have been taught the effects of what happens when man does... well anything. So we try to change for the better... in the last 15yrs we in Australia have a recycling bin.
If we keep this up, we, as a global community will change, slowly but surely. I guess the only question is do we have time.

 

[Smurf1976]

No smog thread would be complete without at least one picture of Launceston from the 1990's.

And no, that's NOT natural fog in the photo (though the area does get natural fog at times). It's 96% wood smoke from domestic heaters that is estimated to kill about 25 people a year whilst damaging the health of many more.

Toxic wood smoke that stings the eyes, stinks up your clothes and leaves tourists disgusted.

A mix of tars shown beyond reasonable doubt to have impaired the lung function of children growing up in the area during the 80's and 90's.

It's the ultimate conservation trade-off. A river flowing free versus lungs blackened. Untouched wilderness versus human health. Big business versus small business. Greens versus Liberal. Hydro versus wood. Development versus conservation.

All of which comes to the point that it's rarely a simple decision when it comes to the environment. Fix one problem, cause another in many cases. And this one'a real classic IMO.

 

[Uncle Festivus]

ha, those pictures are nothing, try these out for size:

Chemtrails or Contrails, you decide???

Kimosabi, we should nip this one in the bud before it get's a life. If you have a closer look at this weirdo's website you will see the section where he's indicating spaceships are also being sent from the sun to invade the earth.
Interesting theory, but a complete nutter in this case

 

[--B--]

Most would say there is still not enough focus on the envirinment, as we have been taught the effects of what happens when man does... well anything.

taught? based on what? Scientific fact or greeny propaganda??

So we try to change for the better... in the last 15yrs we in Australia have a recycling bin.

Sure, recycling can make us feel all warm and fuzzy knowing (knowing?) that our PET bottle is being given a new life however there is debate over whether much recycling actually consumes more energy and $$ than it saves. Simplistic views that recycling = good are not always accurate.

 

[Pat]

taught? based on what? Scientific fact or greeny propaganda??
Sure, recycling can make us feel all warm and fuzzy knowing (knowing?) that our PET bottle is being given a new life however there is debate over whether much recycling actually consumes more energy and $$ than it saves. Simplistic views that recycling = good are not always accurate.

Taught? Both, you be surprised on the emphasis on the environment in primary schools. If it is greeny propaganda, does this change the importance of the message? Clean up Australia day... More propaganda??
So recycling is bad??? Recycling is not about saving $$$ or saving energy! Planet Earth and its environment are looked upon as a business. Always trying to make things profitable. It's about reducing the amount of waste and landfill. Perhaps spending money, using more energy will have less impact on the environment than destroying it with man made waste. Where you not taught the importance of recycling?
Recycling is the future, IMO nearly everything will be recycled, including water and air. As it is today but on much larger scales.

 

[--B--]

Taught? Both, you be surprised on the emphasis on the environment in primary schools. If it is greeny propaganda, does this change the importance of the message?

well clearly it does. are you unable to see this?

Clean up Australia day... More propaganda??

nothing at all wrong with clean up australia day. My concerns are based around the ever growing number of school children being force-fed greeny propaganda much of which is not supported in any way by proven scientific fact.

So recycling is bad??? Recycling is not about saving $$$ or saving energy! Planet Earth and its environment are looked upon as a business. Always trying to make things profitable. It's about reducing the amount of waste and landfill.

im not against recycling at all however i challenge the simplistic view that all recycling = good.

Perhaps spending money, using more energy will have less impact on the environment than destroying it with man made waste.

then apparenty the greenies have a dilemma on their hands because according to their view, excess energy consumption = bad. what about the dreaded co2 (read: plant food)??