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Can't we create giant vacuum cleaner sucker things that suck in all the bad air and pump it into the holes in the ground where the oil used to be?
Easy peasie.
Do you think I'd get a grant for that project?
Can't we create giant vacuum cleaner sucker things that suck in all the bad air and pump it into the holes in the ground where the oil used to be?
Easy peasie.
Do you think I'd get a grant for that project?
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Well, its been said they're striving after our standard of living (the west)...pick up one end of the stick invariably the other end comes too.
Albeit not quite as extreme I took these photos of the same outlook, two days apart in Mexico City. Day 1 was a Friday, a work day. Day 2 was the Saturday or the Sunday when everybody had gone away for a long weekend.
Well, its been said they're striving after our standard of living (the west)...pick up one end of the stick invariably the other end comes too.
Albeit not quite as extreme I took these photos of the same outlook, two days apart in Mexico City. Day 1 was a Friday, a work day. Day 2 was the Saturday or the Sunday when everybody had gone away for a long weekend.
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China is toast. Think of anything detrimental to anything, then multiply it by 1000 and you have the Chinese economic phenomenom that shall never die. How about drowning in your own gridlock, smog, pollution, overcrowding, unemployment etc etc All is not as it appears, except for the pollution - it's very real.
China is toast. Think of anything detrimental to anything, then multiply it by 1000 and you have the Chinese economic phenomenom that shall never die. How about drowning in your own gridlock, smog, pollution, overcrowding, unemployment etc etc All is not as it appears, except for the pollution - it's very real.
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Yeah its really bad the Yangtze river is something like 80% critically polluted, fresh water dolphins are gone & Fish stocks collapsed. Its a pity to so many unique environments that their kids won't have.
Whats gets me is though surely they would have some common sense and realise they are digging their own grave. A person who build say a chemical factory on a rivers edge and just pumps untreated waste into the river has to know he's stuffing something up.
Yeah its really bad the Yangtze river is something like 80% critically polluted, fresh water dolphins are gone & Fish stocks collapsed. Its a pity to so many unique environments that their kids won't have.
Whats gets me is though surely they would have some common sense and realise they are digging their own grave. A person who build say a chemical factory on a rivers edge and just pumps untreated waste into the river has to know he's stuffing something up.
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Might be worth reading this before turning this into another "The sky is falling" thread.
http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Carter_Testimony.pdf
Dave
Might be worth reading this before turning this into another "The sky is falling" thread.
http://epw.senate.gov/109th/Carter_Testimony.pdf
Dave
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Good paper. I've always been a climate "agnostic". It's the pollution problem I am more concerned about.
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So the people on the planet, in those cities may be toast, but not the actual planet.
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So the people on the planet, in those cities may be toast, but not the actual planet.
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Yeah i've always been sceptical on co2 causing global warming and the fact is that habitate destruction and pollution have/ will and are causing more extinctions loss of productivity and is ultimately the greatest challange to our world.
If we hadn't cut down so many forests etc pillaged the natural resources of the world climate change wouldn't have such a big effect. Look at the flood plains of almost all the great river systems they have been changed so much they no longer function anywhere near as well as they did in past. Nowdays we fertilise our crops with chemicals and non local nutrients where as in the past nature had natural ways of replenishing soil fertility.
I think natural cycles tend to be longer and no so convienient in our modern world and there comes the prolem either change our habits or change the world.
If we hadn't cut down so many forests etc pillaged the natural resources of the world climate change wouldn't have such a big effect. Look at the flood plains of almost all the great river systems they have been changed so much they no longer function anywhere near as well as they did in past. Nowdays we fertilise our crops with chemicals and non local nutrients where as in the past nature had natural ways of replenishing soil fertility.
I think natural cycles tend to be longer and no so convienient in our modern world and there comes the prolem either change our habits or change the world.
If you r an evolutionist you'll probably believe that overtime human and other creatures will adapt to the "new" environment overtime . Although emission of greenhouse gases is linked to global warming, bt there r no direct evidence to it, some may even argue that the animals n us humans produce more CO2s than the factories in China.
. Although emission of greenhouse gases is linked to global warming, bt there r no direct evidence to it, some may even argue that the animals n us humans produce more CO2s than the factories in China.- Joined
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Yeah i actually looked into the chemical properties of Co2 it doesn't actually absorb sunlight it absorbs radiated heat from the earths surface and only at certain wavelengths.
Aparently the Co2 absorbs all the radiation it can within the first 10metres of atmosphere and the only effect of increasing the concentration is decreasing that 10m envelope to say 9.5m etc.
But alot of scientists are apparently saying that there is a high altitude carbon heat effect but there is really not much information,/ research or testing been done to prove/disprove this.
Also another fact that the oceans may warm say 1 degree but because of the thermal efficiency of liquid vs gas for this heating to be caused by atmospheric heating ie. Co2 the atmosphere would actually have to heat up by a factor much more than that of the water eg. 10 degree rise in atmosphere = 1 degree rise in sea temp (in a short term scale). Either that of if the atmosphere heats up 1 degree it will take 10 times as long the heat the ocean that same one degree (in a long term scale)
Aparently the Co2 absorbs all the radiation it can within the first 10metres of atmosphere and the only effect of increasing the concentration is decreasing that 10m envelope to say 9.5m etc.
But alot of scientists are apparently saying that there is a high altitude carbon heat effect but there is really not much information,/ research or testing been done to prove/disprove this.
Also another fact that the oceans may warm say 1 degree but because of the thermal efficiency of liquid vs gas for this heating to be caused by atmospheric heating ie. Co2 the atmosphere would actually have to heat up by a factor much more than that of the water eg. 10 degree rise in atmosphere = 1 degree rise in sea temp (in a short term scale). Either that of if the atmosphere heats up 1 degree it will take 10 times as long the heat the ocean that same one degree (in a long term scale)
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Not sure if it's off the radar yet. A lot of people in the know would like to keep it quit, but to be prepared for it if it did break out. The pandemic is the one thing that makes officials cringe with fear; there is no way they can be prepared for it on a mass scale.
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But we are kidding ourselves if we think we can keep trashing the planet without some deleterious effect.
Yes, but do allow me to embellish for sensationalist effect.
But we are kidding ourselves if we think we can keep trashing the planet without some deleterious effect.
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Pollution in Bucharest, Romania. I took this photo in December 2005. That building you can see in the background is the second largest building in the world, the Palace of the Parliament: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Parliament
Second photo is a closer view without all the smog.
Second photo is a closer view without all the smog.
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