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The mechanics of actually buying shares

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So you have done your research and picked a company or ten that you wish to invest in, the next question is how do you decide when to enter the market in the short term and at what price? If you would be happy to pay the current market price for a long term position, do you place an order limited to the current market price? Below it? Just above it? Enquiring minds would like to know...

I beleive I understand some of the basics of comparing companies on a fundamental basis, however do people actually drill that right down into an actual price they feel it is profitable to buy at? If so, I would appreciate any links to such methodologies as I am yet to find any
 
I guess it all depends on your timeframe.

If you are holding for the long term, trying to pick a good entry can get quite frustrating and very hard to do..... Sometimes you get in at the best possible price and other times you get in a horrible time..... Generally speaking it should even out over the long run

If your timeframe is very short, for example scalping intra-day, then entry is everything... Your profitability runs parallel to your timing skills

As you can see, two different time frames = two completely different answers.


 
Understood Cooper, just to clarify, I am talking about long term (> 6 months?).
 

There are many fund managers out there who build large spreadsheet valuation models to calculate what the share price should be. There are also some out there who simply do some back of envelop calcs and believe the market has not price in a share's true worth. So up to you and your interest in spreadsheets really.
 
Ok thats the first step.... If your looking at 6 months+ then I would generally say timing isn't too important. But again that is up to you to decide.

The important thing is to keep a level head if the stock moves against you and not panic. Have a plan and stick to it.

Also look for other factors...If your buying a stock for the income? Capital Growth?... ect ect.... this can help you decide which entry method is best for you.

This may seem like a long process but the question in itself is soo subjective.





Understood Cooper, just to clarify, I am talking about long term (> 6 months?).
 
I guess my question is really only at the fringes, if you feel a stock is undervalued and you plan to hold it until the market reflects that value then quibbling over 0.5% of the share price is not a big deal?
 
I guess my question is really only at the fringes, if you feel a stock is undervalued and you plan to hold it until the market reflects that value then quibbling over 0.5% of the share price is not a big deal?

holding long term, 0.5% will seem like nothing. and you can always use dollar cost averaging to even out your entry. with averaging you will never buy at the best time, but you wont buy at the worst either.

so if you wanted to buy $5k in a stock and hold, maybe consider buying $1k a month for 5months. you might pay higher today , then lower next month in a falling market or it could rise.

this strategy will minimise risk of poor timing, but also take away potential gain if you can time perfectly. probably not feasible the less $$$ you have, due to brokerage. i wouldnt do it with 1k. but if you have more???
 
When u cut to the chase Semillon...what price are u happy to buy XYZ at? or do u just
absolutely want to buy XYZ tomorrow?...only u can answer these questions.

Ideally u would of been playing successfully with a dummy account so have some confidence
in your ability to make good decisions?

Keeping in mind all the reality's of buying shares, like u cant get it right all the time, its pretty
much impossible to pick bottoms/tops etc etc.
 
Semillon, I wouldn't consider 6 months to be a long term hold.

A few years ago ASF member Bunyip posted the following. Sums up very well imo the fundamental research question. Read it and see what you think.


I'd endorse Bunyip's suggestion of the Weinstein book in particular.
Read that and I'm betting it will change your whole approach.
 
Semillon. Good advice here. I'd add that despite the timeframe you use/choose (minutes to years) you must have an exit strategy. Don't buy & forget, or buy & do nothing. Also monitor it.

Done that twice - never again. Cut the losses if you have to. Example are Allco, BNB etc.
Cheers
 
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