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bellenuit said:
Having watched the more recent Sky News program on Nauru, I would think that it is the ABC version that is the fake news. Remember it is the ABC who used the old misleading footage of facilities etc. and showed images of children behind wire fences when all are free to roam about the island. It is clear from their constant reporting that the ABC and Guardian have an agenda when it comes to offshore detention. You can expect them to do all in their power to thwart the resettlement of refugees there to other countries. They want the situation to continue as it serves their left orientated interests. The act similarly in relation to Aboriginees and have been called out by Noel Pearson as to being more interested in maintaining a victim culture than in helping them.
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The ABC footage was not like Newscorp has described it e.g. fences etc. They were free to roam the island, they were not welcome though. You have to see the source, not believe what you are told.
Very good documentary. If you get the chance, watch it, then read the misinformation afterwords.
 
wayneL said:
And no small part, thanks to Obama himself.
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Obama is a total failure. What a sell out.

He literally had greatness thrust upon him - and it's not just the US presidency, but also the economic collapse and a population desperate for a change. Any real statesman with a spine would have turn that kind of opportunity and change the country for generations to come.

Instead he doubled down on failed policies at home, and extend wars and regime change abroad... then handed the presidency over to a total douche bag who's not even pretending to play nice.

Well, may be it is a change. Just not the one people was hoping for.
 
Im hoping Teump will be the catalyst for real change, Grasshopper... After Trump.


We'll see.
 
wayneL said:
Im hoping Teump will be the catalyst for real change, Grasshopper... After Trump.


We'll see.
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But Sifu... as Sun Tzu says, to see the sun and the moon is no display of keen eyes; to lift the autumn hair is not one of great strength.

To hope that a racist, self-absorbed, self-promoting, pussy-grabbing, thin-skinned elitist pathological liar to change and be a man of and for the people... that's akin to hoping that a lion will turn vegan in its prime.


But you might be right that he is a catalyst for real change. So far he's scaring the heck out of a few yanks that they better go protest and demand stuff for themselves.
 
He is only scareing the leftists still stuck in the echo chamber Grasshopper.

The rest of us sitting back and watching.
 
luutzu said:
To hope that a racist, self-absorbed, self-promoting, pussy-grabbing, thin-skinned elitist pathological liar to change and be a man of and for the people... that's akin to hoping that a lion will turn vegan in its prime.
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I totally agree with a lot of this, particularly the "pathological liar" bit. But I do wonder if perhaps he may bring some good to the U.S., we wait to see.

I do think he is going to become a far wealthier Man during and after his Presidency. I bet he has access to a lot information and other things that he'll use to benefit his Companies and personal wealth.

Anyone else find it a bit, well no VERY suspicious that Rudolph Giuliani is a very close friend of Trump's. Rudolph Giuliani was Mayor of New York, New York where Trump made most of his fortune as a property developer. You reckon Rudolph could've slipped Trump some inside knowledge on zonings etc. over the years.

We know Trump isn't exactly a Model Citizen.
 
luutzu said:
But Sifu... as Sun Tzu says, to see the sun and the moon is no display of keen eyes; to lift the autumn hair is not one of great strength.

To hope that a racist, self-absorbed, self-promoting, pussy-grabbing, thin-skinned elitist pathological liar to change and be a man of and for the people... that's akin to hoping that a lion will turn vegan in its prime.


But you might be right that he is a catalyst for real change. So far he's scaring the heck out of a few yanks that they better go protest and demand stuff for themselves.
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I reckon he'll be a catalyst for change and perhaps, just perhaps the millenials will get off their arses and get a work ethic for the national and western good
 
Darc Knight said:
I totally agree with a lot of this, particularly the "pathological liar" bit. But I do wonder if perhaps he may bring some good to the U.S., we wait to see.

I do think he is going to become a far wealthier Man during and after his Presidency. I bet he has access to a lot information and other things that he'll use to benefit his Companies and personal wealth.

Anyone else find it a bit, well no VERY suspicious that Rudolph Giuliani is a very close friend of Trump's. Rudolph Giuliani was Mayor of New York, New York where Trump made most of his fortune as a property developer. You reckon Rudolph could've slipped Trump some inside knowledge on zonings etc. over the years.

We know Trump isn't exactly a Model Citizen.
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We can guess where his administration is taking the US with his cabinet pick so far.

There's the billionaire heiress who will head Dept. of Education. She is known to be pro privatisation of public education, has done it and has fund groups to push for it in her state.

There's Dr. Ben Carson. Black poor kid made good. Too good that he thinks such thing as rent control is just gov't being everywhere and not giving capitalist and liberty a chance. He's Sec. of Housing and Urban Development.

Then there's some hedge fund guy that make Trump's bankruptcy plays - not paying taxes and not paying debtors - like some minor run of bad luck. Or a guy that's second generation Goldman Sachs partner who literally kick tens of thousands of poor, mainly coloured people, out of their homes after the GFC... among them a 90 year old widow who got kicked out because her reversed mortgage was overpaid or underpaid by some 40 cents. These two nice wall st guys will head the Treasury and Commerce.

Then there's an oil/fracking billionaire that's tapped to be Sec. of Energy.

Then there's generals, admirals and other warmongers he tapped to be in defence and intelligence. Makes sense right? The military need a general at its head because there's no other generals among its ranks right. Checks and balance? prfff.

But to be fair to Trump, the US, like all other imperial powers had always been run like this... Just this time the Yanks got their guns and that genuine sense of liberty and equality for all and all that... They might not just sit back and watch all their beliefs being kicked around so arrogantly.
 
Tisme said:
I reckon he'll be a catalyst for change and perhaps, just perhaps the millenials will get off their arses and get a work ethic for the national and western good
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They will, I think.

Not often you see protests across some 350 cities on a weekend. Or US veterans marching to fight with Native Americans to protect their water. Then watch as some 36 Americans died in a fire because rent is so high that they have to live in unsafe warehouse like it's a freakin third world country.

The country is heading towards a cliff yet both parties, now with Trump at the head, are partying like it's written in the stars that America will always be great.
 
Darc Knight said:
^ that's scary isn't it. Even for a person living in Australia :eek:
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It's bad since our dear leaders tend to follow what's the fad there.

Though it might be good as it scares more than enough of us to not want to take our politics in that direction. Might be like Australia recently and elect a more leftist party just in case.
 
Can't see Obama going down as a great President. It was all about symbolism with him. High rhetoric, sound bites linked by prepositions. Full of sound and fury, as in the Scottish play.

Ultimately, in the highest office in the world, you have to do something.

Trump said to US voters, "..what do you have to lose?" and they understood.
 
Logique said:
Can't see Obama going down as a great President. It was all about symbolism with him. High rhetoric, sound bites linked by prepositions. Full of sound and fury, as in the Scottish play.

Ultimately, in the highest office in the world, you have to do something.

Trump said to US voters, "..what do you have to lose?" and they understood.
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Business knows he did a reasonably good job for their sector. If he hadn't acted swiftly after being handed the racist poisoned chalice from Bush, there would only be, for instance, Ford car manufacturing and that was in the process of being relocated to Mexico under the NAFTA treaty.

He was a great circuit breaker for the financial market to reset its cooked books and shift blame to him in the process.

Ronald Regan once asked "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?". The US economy GDP has increased 15% under his (Obama) reign, whereas Clinton was 35%, Regan 30%, GW Bush 18%, Bush Snr 8%, but they didn't have a big correction negative to begin with.
 
Logique said:
Ultimately, in the highest office in the world, you have to do something.
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The reality is though that Obama always had Congress against him. Trump will have Congress on his side and it may allow him to get things done, but it's also a bit scary as to what those things may be.
 
SirRumpole said:
The reality is though that Obama always had Congress against him. Trump will have Congress on his side and it may allow him to get things done, but it's also a bit scary as to what those things may be.
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I can relate to that in Australian politics with a looney senate not allowing Turnbull to get things done in repairing our economic mess left by the Green/Labor left wing socialist coalition.
 
SirRumpole said:
The reality is though that Obama always had Congress against him. Trump will have Congress on his side and it may allow him to get things done, but it's also a bit scary as to what those things may be.
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From memory, the Democrats control Congress during Obama's first two years. He could have done a lot of things, if he wanted to.

But then again, politicians don't really hold any real power. They appear to have power, but that's only if what they want to do is also what the real power wanted. So politicians either learn real smart, or resigned, or get impeached.

Obama was a fast learner.
 
I'm guessing after the next election Bill Shorten is going to have to fix Liberal's Mess?

The balooning current account deficits, the increased spending, increased public service, loss of industry, declining real GDP, power outages, unaffordable housing, manufacturing heading south rapidly, etc, etc.

Even the Party faithful must be thinking they have been hoodwinked by Messrs Sly and Cunning, certainly not Style and Stunning.
 
SirRumpole said:
This man is really sick...


Donald Trump thanks 'vicious, violent' supporters at Orlando victory tour rally


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-...violent-vicious-supporters-in-florida/8130206
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...On the rise of fascism in Europe.

“No people ever recognize their dictator in advance,” she reflected in 1935. “He never stands for election on the platform of dictatorship. He always represents himself as the instrument [of] the Incorporated National Will.” Applying the lesson to the U.S., she wrote, “When our dictator turns up you can depend on it that he will be one of the boys, and he will stand for everything traditionally American.”
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https://theconversation.com/normalizing-fascists-69613
 

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