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It is by no means the worst system in the world though.To a point it is. Take a really close look at doctors in this country and the way it's set up. A huge amount of waste and extremely bad practices taking place.
Usa is not capitalism..goto China for economic capitalism..the ironyIt is by no means the worst system in the world though.
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Every socialist program comes with waste. Which is generally why capitalists oppose them.To a point it is. Take a really close look at doctors in this country and the way it's set up. A huge amount of waste and extremely bad practices taking place.
Still have to pay here.
Plenty of people are still left to die as well....
Back specialist you can get for a fraction of the price in south America. Dentistry and medical you can get some fantastic ones through Thailand. Our hospitals are a joke and our doctors are terrible.
The value of our dollar and high wages is probably the saving grace of living in Australia.
Every socialist program comes with waste. Which is generally why capitalists oppose them.
But if you weigh it up against the alternatives our healthcare is still a valid economic model.
Not bad for a country with a populace too small to sustain manufacturing and relies on quarries and beaches.
If Australia can get it right - anyone can.
If you are talking about terrible doctors and hospitals that regularly kill people through incompetence, I'd agree. But decent service here comes at a much higher price then other countries.If Australia can get it right - anyone can.
Can't say I'm aware of regular deaths from bad doctors and hospitals solely due to us having Medicare. Presumably if you cut funding you produce unintended consequences.If you are talking about terrible doctors and hospitals that regularly kill people through incompetence, I'd agree. But decent service here comes at a much higher price then other countries.
Socialism breeds a kind of below average incompetence that is then protected by unions. Schools are another example. Sweden model is a lot better. But I think that could have a big part to do with their culture. They are having huge problems with the model they use due to mass migration.
Things that once worked are now crumbling.
Not to say capitalism is perfect. There are flaws in every model.
The gap system is annoying, but if it wasn't there, the doctors would just keep ramping prices which the health funds would pay and premiums would go stupid as in the U.S.
I have way to many stories to tell. Most involve deaths through gross incompetence. One in particular was my unborn child. I've seen some of the worst things going on in hospitals. The only time I saw anything resembling competent practices was in one of the newer private hospitals.Can't say I'm aware of regular deaths from bad doctors and hospitals solely due to us having Medicare. Presumably if you cut funding you produce unintended consequences.
If there's a case for switching to capitalism to avoid the above I'd like to see it. Even better if it can be done with political impartiality
One of the arguments in the US against a universal health system is that a lot of people do not see why they should pay for others (the less well off)
It was a mistake economically. A quick $4 billion sell off at the cost of half a billion a year in dividend revenue. I think it was Abbott.I think Labor (Rudd from memory) made a mistake by selling off Medibank private, most likely because of pressure from the other Health insurance corporates.
I think it was Abbott.
We just have to be careful which system we are blaming IMO, is it the health system or the training and education system?I have way to many stories to tell. Most involve deaths through gross incompetence. One in particular was my unborn child. I've seen some of the worst things going on in hospitals. The only time I saw anything resembling competent practices was in one of the newer private hospitals.
I wouldn't advocate for a US style system but that doesn't make our medical system any shining light to copy.
Or the smokers or drug addicts..should i carry on?One of the arguments in the US against a universal health system is that a lot of people do not see why they should pay for others (the less well off)
Or the gluttinous!Or the smokers or drug addicts..should i carry on?
On the flip side the US does have some fantastic doctors and surgeons. They really know their speciality. Next level on a lot of things.It is by no means the worst system in the world though.
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The way the system is setup, breeds a lot of incompetence. Public health systems were a joke. Things may have got better, but I highly doubt it.We just have to be careful which system we are blaming IMO, is it the health system or the training and education system?
IMO too many people get stamped as being competent, because they sat in a classroom for the prescribed time, that goes for a lot professions and technical training.
Just my opinion.
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