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I think there are different aspects of looniness.
Any level of ideology which is either economically or sociologically unsustainable is insane. Before the fact may be a matter of opinion, but after the fact a matter of record. (and yes that does apply to the far right as well)
The Oz Greens and ER, definitely, as are anyone proposing a Soviet type of communism.
The Turnbulls', Simon Holmes a Court et all aren't insane, but they are merely self interested, even if they seem to be absolutely bonkers.
Bandt is certifiable.
wayneL
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Perhaps some focus on sentence structure might help.
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The Turnbulls give a lot of money to charity I believe, so I don't think they are entirely self interested.
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Hitler was a vegan and loved dogs. (Just to self invoke Godwin's Law
)Perhaps some focus on sentence structure might help.
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Hitler was a vegan and loved dogs. (Just to self invoke Godwin's Law
Now that's just being silly and non inclusive.
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Absolutely blxxxdy on teh mark.The Right is rethinking on climate change and the Greens have completely reversed their original attitude toward heavy industry, manufacturing etc.
My view is the same in both cases. If someone improves then there's no need to play politics and argue about a "back flip" since doing so simply becomes a barrier to progress. The surest way to stop someone changing their approach is to attack them for doing so - that they were wrong previously is best left unsaid.
I went to the National Climate Emergency Summit on Friday /Sat. One of the key elements was getting business and industry onside to be a major, major part of dealing with the changes required.
On the political front the emphasis was presenting a CC message that was non partisan and able to be taken by Liberals and Labour and Greens alike.
One of the very popular speakers was independent Liberal MP Zali Steggal. She gave a very spirited presentation on why she wanted her private members bill on Climate Change action to get support across the community. Very big claps from the 2000 strong audience. Mind you the other ex politicians on the panel thought her chances were slim.
But if enough people decided to make direct representation to their MPs and the PM maybe minds would be changed.
Australia needs a framework to plan and manage the impacts of climate change. Sign the petition and urge your MP to vote for the Climate Act. Most economies have one.
https://climateactnow.com.au/
I mentioned this a while back. Market it right and people will get on board. Whinging like loons won't help. A move back to center would be a welcome change.
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Indeed it might. But lets be clear about the reality of what is required to very quickly reverse and re-engineer our the world to escape runaway global heating.
It is not (just) rainbows, unicorns, changing light globes, walking and buying electric cars.
This paper which defines what a Climate Emergency looks like and the measures necessary to attempt to address is a bit of a horror.
https://52a87f3e-7945-4bb1-abbf-9aa...d/148cb0_3be3bfab3f3a489cb9bd69e42ce22e7c.pdf
I agree that it would need a seismic shift.
It just won't happen unfortunately. The mindset through Asia and most poorer countries is completely different to the west. UN is a total sht show to begin with. Everyone knows the problem and it's China and our need for cheap crap.
My personal stance is that it won't happen through any kind of action. Only feasible way in which the problem is addressed is with advances in technology.
Polluters gonna pollute.
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Also on the way, they will become first World and we will become Third World, but a dose of reality will do a lot of people some good.
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Bernie, Extinction Rebellion, The Greens, and the overall PC LGBT clique or anyone still believing in 2020 that socialism can be a valid economic model ? That fits my definition
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Socialised healthcare is a valid economic model in 2020
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Capitalism is great for giving people what they want, but not so great for giving people what they need.
There are exceptions of course, but the privatisation of the power grids has really gone down well hasn't it ?
There are exceptions of course, but the privatisation of the power grids has really gone down well hasn't it ?
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A problem overlooked in regard to this issue is that there's plenty of countries where you could go and get 500 random people, take them to a suitable venue and give them a presentation on options for addressing the CO2 problem.
They'd all listen but there'd be just one problem and one dominant question. You'd get a comment along the lines of"
"That's all well and good Sir, I understand what you are saying that these things could be done, but there's one point I do not follow. You said "CO2 problem". Could you expand on this please? You are saying that CO2 is a problem but I have not heard of this previously. Why are you thinking it is a problem?"
To my understanding the issue is simply unheard of in plenty of places, public awareness is for practical purposes zero or close to it, so there's no chance they're going to be addressing it unless by pure chance as a by-product of something else done for unrelated reasons.
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Definitely that's what needs to happen.
Something I'll add though, and all sides are guilty of this one over the years, is that all too often there's a focus on detail to the point that the original message is completely lost.
I'm aware of that happening on various environmental issues over an extended period, I could quote examples going all the way back to 1970, where there was objection to the specifics of something that was proposed and the reasons for it were completely lost. Those reasons were, if you go and look at them today, entirely reasonable and often well ahead of their time in thinking but they became completely lost among the politics surrounding whatever proposal they related to.
It would have been far better if as a society we'd managed to say OK, don't agree with your proposed solution but the point being made is a valid one and we need to work together to find some other solution to it and do so without delay.
Instead, all too often the whole thing ended up being lost amidst politics.
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Let's not call that capitalism
I do not exactly have a choice of electricity grid provider do i?
But paying 1k a year for a water network i do not use nor am connected fit well with your definition of socialism where a gov tells me what i need and charge me for the privilege.as for health...
To a point it is. Take a really close look at doctors in this country and the way it's set up. A huge amount of waste and extremely bad practices taking place.Socialised healthcare is a valid economic model in 2020
Still have to pay here.
Plenty of people are still left to die as well....
Back specialist you can get for a fraction of the price in south America. Dentistry and medical you can get some fantastic ones through Thailand. Our hospitals are a joke and our doctors are terrible.
The value of our dollar and high wages is probably the saving grace of living in Australia.
