(@ Bobby & like-minded)
If you went outside our borders Mr Xenophobe you might realise there is a whole world of people out there, many not as well off or lucky as ourselves. So instead of asking your pointless ignorant question why not ask when are Australians like yourself going to stop acting like selfish little children & open your heart to the possibility that we can help these poor people @ very little cost to ourselves.:topic
Happy now? got the response you were looking for? Go live in Darfur for a while (if you know where that is)
Yes, because everyone on this planet gets to:5. discussions of this nature are not racist. just because you dont't want to share what you have with someone of a different race, who happens to have less than you, does not make you racist. If you choose a governement that then persecutes you, well thats just too bad. sorry.
(@ Bobby & like-minded)
Happy now? got the response you were looking for? :
lol
i asked for any other examples of colonialism with genocide and dispossession mr j, your answer shows you have no knowledge of any other examples..
your rewrite on the post colonialist australian aboriginal genocide is laughable.
can you post up those man many historic examples please which makes the dispossession and genocide in australia "pale in comparison" ??
cant think of anywhere else where the traditional owners were killed and the survivors dispossessed off the land..
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I'm happy to oblige here but first lets straighten out some definitions. The treatment of aborigines by white settlers was not genocide. For arguments sake lets use the definition as defined in the 1948 convention on the prevention and punishment of genocide:
1) the mental element, meaning the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such", and
2) the physical element which includes five acts described in sections a, b, c, d and e. A crime must include both elements to be called "genocide."
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
evidently there were some actions undertaken by white settlers that parallel genocidal behaviours however there are glaring exceptions and it is these exceptions that prove the difference.
1. with an estimated australia wide population of under 1 million individuals, there were hundreds of distinct language and cultural groups living in australia at the time of white settlement. these people did not classify themeselves as one people and in many cases frequently warred. as a result of this, action against a distinct group of people does not transfer to the indigenous population as whole. ie if you kill 100 people from perth, this is not a crime against those living in sydney just because they share the same "country"
2. there has never been, pre or post federation, a policy of destroying aboriginal cultures. the areas of contention were always where white settlers were pushing into new pastures, mining areas and the like. there was very little conflict between white settlers and the walpiri peoples of the NT for example.
3. there was never a national effort to stop births through processes of enforced sterilisation on a wide scale. Some of this may or may not have happened but it was certainly not policy and was certainly not national.
so, lots of pretty ordinary things happened but it was definitely not genocide. nasty: yes, terrible: yes, should ti have happened: probably not.
was it genocide? definitely not.
so with that in mind: examples of colonisation from the last 500 years.
*portugal and spain enter the americas and destroy the advanced indigenous cultures, keep the land and Philip II orders the natives destroyed. and the spanish took the gold. Pizzaro kills 10 000 natives in one day stopping only becasue it got too dark to see.
*English in NZ -stopped and formalised by the treaty of waitangi.
* colonisation of hawaii
* the french in vietnam, laos, cambodia and polynesia
* English in india, sri lanka
* ethnic russians in the baltic states after ww2.
* french in north africa, tunisia and the cameroon
* english and dutch in the "east indies"
want more examples?
great debate
please
more cut and pastes too!!
lets forget the tasmanian kill.. and the white australia policy..
the way to feel good about genocide is to minimise it.. think of other examples of it and to say as it happened elsewhere so it justifiable
the white australia policy was about immigration and had nothing to do with aborigines.
no one here is justifying genocide. Genocide obviously didn't happen in australia. You would only say it was genocide if you were taking an emotional stance. and arguements are not based on emotions. they are based on evidence.
ohh riddick, this is real gold...
This sort of naïve tripe makes my blood boil!So instead of asking your pointless ignorant question why not ask when are Australians like yourself going to stop acting like selfish little children & open your heart to the possibility that we can help these poor people @ very little cost to ourselves.
5. discussions of this nature are not racist. just because you dont't want to share what you have with someone of a different race, who happens to have less than you, does not make you racist.
The rising popularity of the British National Party suggests the Brits are becoming increasingly disenchanted with their own multiculturalism policies.
Riddick, that's an excellent piece of descriptive writing! I just had a vivid image like I was looking at a photo. Well done!!!It kind of feels like i am the only doing the work and you are sitting in a cafe somewhere, sipping your skinny chai latte with only two fingers and attempting unsuccessfully to look down you nose at me past your half rim reading glasses, much to the entertainment of others in the general vicinity who can see through your pseudo intellectual affectations.
No but the way in which Bobby opened this thread, by generically referring to illegal immigrants as "BS Illegals", "Grubs" and "Parasites" conveys a bigoted viewpoint and is not a constructive way to open a debate and is thus unlikely to lead to constructive discussion. Its deliberately derogatory and inflammatory, designed to attract exactly the type of response that it has.
So I'd repeat the viewpoint that a thread opened in this manner contributes nothing to ASF.
This is the General Chat section.Great content for a stock forum. (A few of these also started by Bobby).
Only post 'non-stock' threads in 'General Chat' please!
I agree, well said..
No but the way in which Bobby opened this thread, by generically referring to illegal immigrants as "BS Illegals", "Grubs" and "Parasites" conveys a bigoted viewpoint and is not a constructive way to open a debate and is thus unlikely to lead to constructive discussion. Its deliberately derogatory and inflammatory, designed to attract exactly the type of response that it has.
Hey cuttlefish have a look at this video for an example of refugee grubs doing there thing in AUSTRALIA !!!!!!!!!
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