The Gillard Government

Julia · 14 May 2012

moXJO said:
Tip off to the tent embassy based on lies about Abbott ring a bell?

Thank you, moXJO. Exactly the sort of thing I had in mind but couldn't think of an example.
Make up some unlikely rumour about Shorten, set it alight in Canberra, and then imply that only Tony Abbott could have made it happen, presumably in order to malign Shorten's character.
As if Mr Abbott needs to do any such thing. Too silly.

Logique · 15 May 2012

MrBurns said:
Well that makes the figure meaningless.....totally......

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-1...WT.svl=theDrum ....The first of these is the participation rate. If, as occurred in the April figures, a large unemployment fall is matched by a decline in participation, that tells economists that much of the change was due to people giving up the search for work rather than people actually finding jobs...

On this subject, what about the people who have given up looking. Look at the regional unemployment rates in NSW and Vic, and tell those people they're fully employed!

Logique · 15 May 2012

rumpole said:
...No-one is "bludging" on anyone else in this country. All right, VERY FEW.

Let's ask 'working families' about that. They need secretaries to keep track of their burgeoning list of handouts. Sorry 'entitlements'.

MrBurns · 15 May 2012

Logique said:
Let's ask 'working families' about that. They need secretaries to keep track of their burgeoning list of handouts. Sorry 'entitlements'.

I see she got a boost in the polls, the ONLY reason would be cash in the bank, watch out for more of your cash being thrown away.

joea · 15 May 2012

rumpole said:
It's been done the same way for years. If you can think of a better way, call the ABS

I have attempted to get a correlation of figures by ABS and Roy Morgan.
Contacted the local Fed MP. Sent emails to leading papers to follow it up.
Why is ABS around 5% unemployment, and Roy Morgan around 10%.
All to no avail.
What I now use is the trend, on the % movement.
i.e. The last drop in the ABS figure did not show any movement in Roy Morgan. So basically I believe there was no drop.

It is my firm belief if we leave Labor in power long enough, then the ABS unemployment figure will go negative. Then somebody may(just may) wake up, but I will not be putting money on it. i.e. more people in work than are available!!

In one document I chased up, it found the ABS figure of " those available to work" was inaccurate and it took in excess of a year to patch it up.

Now why was I concerned? The unemployment figure is used in the 'Rate Decisions", and I just thought it would help if it was accurate.

I can not accept that "part time jobs equate to full time jobs." But the market does, so whom am I to disagree.
joea

Calliope · 15 May 2012

MrBurns said:
I see she got a boost in the polls, the ONLY reason would be cash in the bank, watch out for more of your cash being thrown away.

No. I think it is because people are waking up to that nasty Mr Rabbit for "setting up" Slipper, Thomson and now Shorten. What innocent party will he attack next.

Logique · 15 May 2012

Well said George Brandis:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...edo-is-laughable/story-e6frgd0x-1226355234732

Of course, Gillard is happy to abandon the presumption of innocence when it suits her.

Julian Assange was afforded no presumption of innocence when she declared him””wrongly””to have broken Australian law… The Australian Defence Force Academy’s Bruce Kafer””against whom no allegations were made””enjoyed no presumption of innocence from the Gillard government last year..

..Howard and Peter Reith were vouchsafed no presumption of innocence by the Labor Party over the “children overboard” allegations, nor Alexander Downer over the oil-for-food scandal. Of course, those gentlemen didn’t invoke the presumption of innocence, because they were confident that they had done no wrong.

MrBurns · 15 May 2012

Calliope said:
No. I think it is because people are waking up to that nasty Mr Rabbit for "setting up" Slipper, Thomson and now Shorten. What innocent party will he attack next.

You should put that stuff on YouTube it would get laughs from all over the globe

Ohh sorry you were being sarcastic, I'm a bit slow this morning, I've must have Wayne Swan syndrome....

dutchie · 15 May 2012

Calliope said:
No. I think it is because people are waking up to that nasty Mr Rabbit for "setting up" Slipper, Thomson and now Shorten. What innocent party will he attack next.

At last we know who that evil person was that used poor Craig's credit card, his license and his mobile (and then put them all back) and he also hypnotised Craig to take all that money out to pay for Craig's election campaign.

I had a sneaking suspicion it was him too (although..... he's not a union official ...... who cares, it was him!)

Surly · 15 May 2012

Moe Szyslak: Immigants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them.

cheers
Surly

DB008 · 15 May 2012

Stephen Mayne on QandA last night said something which l don't think Labor understand. You can even see Penny Wong shake her head in the background while Stephen Mayne says it.

Along the lines of..."The longer they (ALP) stuff around with Thompson, the more damage the party does to themselves. The next election is going to be a wipe out like the recent state (NSW + QLD) elections. It will take a very long time to rebuild themselves and their brand."

How come the ALP can't see this?
Are they that full of themselves?
Delusions of grandeur?

joea · 15 May 2012

DB008 said:
Along the lines of..."The longer they (ALP) stuff around with Thompson, the more damage the party does to themselves. The next election is going to be a wipe out like the recent state (NSW + QLD) elections. It will take a very long time to rebuild themselves and their brand."

How come the ALP can't see this?
Are they that full of themselves?
Delusions of grandeur?

They got what they wanted from the budget, a lift in polls.
Now they are probably using a calculator to extrapolate how much money they need to hand out to beat Abbott.
Just remember its not the Coalition they are attempting to beat at the next election, its Abbott. (well they never mention anybody else).
joea

drsmith · 15 May 2012

DB008 said:
Stephen Mayne on QandA last night said something which l don't think Labor understand. You can even see Penny Wong shake her head in the background while Stephen Mayne says it.

Along the lines of..."The longer they (ALP) stuff around with Thompson, the more damage the party does to themselves. The next election is going to be a wipe out like the recent state (NSW + QLD) elections. It will take a very long time to rebuild themselves and their brand."

How come the ALP can't see this?
Are they that full of themselves?
Delusions of grandeur?

With Craig Thompson, poor Pen had to try and defend the indefensible. Copping it from all the panelists, you cound see in her body language that she knew it was a lost cause.

One of the other panelists also made the observation that the claims against Craig Thompson are more than allegations, they are the formal findings of a government body.

She was much more comfortable when the discussion turned to the budget and got what was effectively a free kick at the end of the show with the final question from the audience (directed at Joe Hockey).

StumpyPhantom · 15 May 2012

joea said:
They got what they wanted from the budget, a lift in polls.
Now they are probably using a calculator to extrapolate how much money they need to hand out to beat Abbott.
Just remember its not the Coalition they are attempting to beat at the next election, its Abbott. (well they never mention anybody else).
joea

Given that they ABSOLUTELY cannot afford another handout in 2013 Federal Budget because it would DESTROY the projected surplus, they must be expecting an election to be called before May 2013?

Or do you reckon they're just going to trash their projected surplus (as they have done this year's) in 2013 as well?

drsmith · 15 May 2012

That lift won't last.

With Gillard Labor it never does.

StumpyPhantom · 15 May 2012

drsmith said:
That lift won't last.

With Gillard Labor it never does.

It needs to last long enough to deliver Gillard to the election.

It will be soooo disappointing to not be able to show her how we feel....

joea · 15 May 2012

StumpyPhantom said:
Given that they ABSOLUTELY cannot afford another handout in 2013 Federal Budget because it would DESTROY the projected surplus, they must be expecting an election to be called before May 2013?

Or do you reckon they're just going to trash their projected surplus (as they have done this year's) in 2013 as well?

StumpyP.
I reckon they are getting this handout, (out) quickly to allocate it to this financial year and budget. i.e. the budget deficit that Swan said was going to be $26 Billion 6 month ago, and is now in excess of $44 billion and growing. With this "magic maths" of Swan's they just seem to move it forward or backward, depending on the strength and direction of the wind.
Millions are now being spent on educating the public about the handout. To me they are just fine tuning the next lot of handout prior to the next election.
Sportsbet has a deficit at $1.40 versus a surplus at $2.30.(measured next year.)

We must remember that their direction in giving handouts will bring no economic benefits to Australia(except on retail sales). However Swan has his vision set on "rate decreases" to further help the Australian battler.
My fear is, as more Australian become battlers, where does the money come from.
joea

Julia · 15 May 2012

MrBurns said:
I see she got a boost in the polls, the ONLY reason would be cash in the bank, watch out for more of your cash being thrown away.

Agree that the handout will have had an effect on today's poll, but I suspect some voters are also taken in by the promise of a surplus and the ongoing belief that Labor saved us from the GFC.

I may have raised this before, but the day after the Budget was delivered, the presenter on an ABC Local Radio network said it was good that Mr Swan had delivered a surplus. (!)

They've perhaps forgotten the unwanted, too expensive school halls, and the fires in the roof from the batts scheme.

joea · 15 May 2012

Well there will be plenty of entertainment tonight.

PM rallies Labor Troops for Poll fight...
Gillard blames poor standing on fear campaign, urges unionists to show "spine".

Bloody hell!! I will read a book tonight!! She has got a new "breath of wind".

joea

sails · 15 May 2012

Interesting to compare today's poll with the polls from 2007 when Howard tried to appeal to the people with a friendly budget while doing nothing to appease the anger over work choices. The polls did increase a week or so after the budget and peaked about a week later and then flopped badly by the end of May 2007:

Budget was delivered on 8th May, 2007

Coalition and Labor primary votes:
Newspoll 13-15 April 35 50
Newspoll 27-29 April 37 48
Newspoll 11-13 May 36 50
Newspoll 18-20 May 39 49
Newspoll 21-24 May 39 47
Newspoll 25-27 May 35 52

2pp coalition:labor
Newspoll 13-15 April 41 59
Newspoll 27-29 April 43 57
Newspoll 11-13 May 41 59
Newspoll 18-20 May 43 57
Newspoll 21-24 May 45 55
Newspoll 25-27 May 40 60

And we know how this ended.

Source of above from Newspoll and the Australian: http://www.newspoll.com.au/cgi-bin/polling/display_poll_data.pl

And here is the PDF of "The Budget at a Glance" - makes for interesting reading when comparing to last week's budget: http://australianpolitics.com/2007/05/08/peter-costello-2007-budget-speech.html

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