The future of energy generation and storage

[Junior]

It is not acceptable for a country with vast, vast reserves of coal, natural gas, uranium, sun, geothermal, tidal, and hydro resources to have some of the most expensive power prices in the world. Epic failure and short-sighted planning.

 

[SirRumpole]

Why you're about to pay through the nose for power

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-19/why-youre-about-to-pay-through-the-nose-for-power/8629090

 

[sptrawler]

Why you're about to pay through the nose for power

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-19/why-youre-about-to-pay-through-the-nose-for-power/8629090

As I said in the other thread, where you and you siamese twin, posted the link.
Obviously all the efforts, that smurph has put in, are for nought.

 

[SirRumpole]

Obviously all the efforts, that smurph has put in, are for nought.

Really ? Verrender's article just highlights what Smurf has been saying imo. Another opinion never hurts does it ?

 

[sptrawler]

Well that sums it up.
There is no point in discussing it, no matter what it costs Australia by introducing the carbon tax, just rewrite history.
Australians swallow anything, if they're told it enough times.
We really are a sad insecure lot. lol

 

[moXJO]

Is Germany still building coal plants?

 

[sptrawler]

Is Germany still building coal plants?

Is Germany exporting thermal coal? While demonising the use of it?

With regard Germany and coal firing I did find this report.

https://carboncounter.wordpress.com...ear-phaseout-is-leading-to-more-coal-burning/

Don't know if it helps?

Like I've said earlier, I don't have any issue with doing away with coal fired power generation, but it must be done in a measured approach.
What is happening currently, everyone is jumping on the latest wizz bang technology and when it falls on its ar$e, there is nothing to turn to.

 

[moXJO]

Is Germany exporting thermal coal? While demonising the use of it?

With regard Germany and coal firing I did find this report.

https://carboncounter.wordpress.com...ear-phaseout-is-leading-to-more-coal-burning/

Don't know if it helps?

Like I've said earlier, I don't have any issue with doing away with coal fired power generation, but it must be done in a measured approach.
What is happening currently, everyone is jumping on the latest wizz bang technology and when it falls on its ar$e, there is nothing to turn to.

I have to agree.
Renewables will not cut it. Spending billions on something lasting 25 years if lucky. And 10 years of life on battery backup. Both having diminishing returns during, is not going to cut it. Gas is expensive. Nuke, not ever going to pass and not that cheap or fast to roll out.
We probably need coal now.

 

[moXJO]

When wind and solar are not available to generate electricity, German power buyers turn to coal. In fact, Germany opened over 10 gigawatts of new coal fired power plants over the past 5 years.

The debate here is stupid. We need base load so build it.

 

[SirRumpole]

When wind and solar are not available to generate electricity, German power buyers turn to coal. In fact, Germany opened over 10 gigawatts of new coal fired power plants over the past 5 years.

The debate here is stupid. We need base load so build it.

Different countries, different dynamics, not necessarily applicable to Australia, but, the more generation types in the mix the less we rely on any one of them.

Baseload can be satisfied by a number of means; stored energy from renewables; combined cycle gas turbines that can run on a variety of fuels; nuclear, coal or a combination of those.

It's a MIX , it's not renewables vs the rest.

 

[sptrawler]

When wind and solar are not available to generate electricity, German power buyers turn to coal. In fact, Germany opened over 10 gigawatts of new coal fired power plants over the past 5 years.

The debate here is stupid. We need base load so build it.

I didn't realise you were sympathetic to the coal issue.
The whole topic is going stupid, due to political beliefs and ideology, it really needs someone to tell the politicians to butt out.
Then their bolted on believers might shut up, which would be a saving grace.
I'm fed up with technical issues, being directed by political beliefs and followers rantings.
We have had a situation in W.A, where coal/gas fired plant has been shut down and now the Government has to sell off pre paid gas because they can't burn it.
Politicians need to get out of the engineering game, it's becoming too cut throat, the stroke of a pen hurts people today it didn't 30 years ago.

 

[moXJO]

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It's a MIX , it's not renewables vs the rest.

Tell parliament that.

 

[SirRumpole]

Tell parliament that.

Finkel did.

 

[basilio]

New coal fired power stations won't cut it. They are simply more expensive than wind or solar alternatives.
Adding some form of battery or pumped hydro component to ensure certainty of supply is just the most practical solution.
The only reason coal fired stations are currently more cost effective is because they have been paid for. But the ongoing reality is they are old and getting past their use by date. As Smurph has noted inevitable costly maintenance is going to kill the coal stations.

 

[sptrawler]

New coal fired power stations won't cut it. They are simply more expensive than wind or solar alternatives.
Adding some form of battery or pumped hydro component to ensure certainty of supply is just the most practical solution.
The only reason coal fired stations are currently more cost effective is because they have been paid for. But the ongoing reality is they are old and getting past their use by date. As Smurph has noted inevitable costly maintenance is going to kill the coal stations.

Agree completely with that statement, at least it has some non political merit, thanks basilio

 

[SirRumpole]

Speaking of Germany:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/how-germany-generates-its-electricity

 

[SirRumpole]

New coal fired power stations won't cut it. They are simply more expensive than wind or solar alternatives.
Adding some form of battery or pumped hydro component to ensure certainty of supply is just the most practical solution.
The only reason coal fired stations are currently more cost effective is because they have been paid for. But the ongoing reality is they are old and getting past their use by date. As Smurph has noted inevitable costly maintenance is going to kill the coal stations.

Agree completely with that statement, at least it has some non political merit, thanks basilio

Sorry, isn't that what others (like me) have been saying, and have been ridiculed by you for saying so ?

What hypocrisy.

 

[sptrawler]

Sorry, isn't that what others (like me) have been saying, and have been ridiculed by you for saying so ?

What hypocrisy.

Just wallow around in your own lunchbox mate, you say whatever the media/Labor says, basilio has to be respected for maintaining a consistent view.
His views haven't changed and aren't politically biased, you and Tisme would get a lot more traction, if you tried a bit of his etiquette.

 

[SirRumpole]

Just wallow around in your own lunchbox mate, you say whatever the media/Labor says, basilio has to be respected for maintaining a consistent view.

And being an ex coal employee you just say what you know and don't bother thinking outside your lunch box.

 

[sptrawler]

And being an ex coal employee you just say what you know and don't bother thinking outside your lunch box.

Actually if you removed your head, you would notice, I critisised the W.A Government, for the ridiculous situation they find themselves in, regarding gas.
It was no fault of the current Labor Government, but a huge stuff up by the previous Liberal Government, but as with Tisme, your so focused on politics you can't see the wood for the trees.

I'll give you the tip, if some serious size coal generation isn't installed on the East Coast, you are in for some really big price rises over the next 5 years.lol