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Why don't you actually do a bit of reading before shooting your mouth off ?
Actually, I've always said, to shut down coal is dumb, also I think smurph agrees.
The problem is we have an abundance of coal, and by World emissions are really non existent.
To shut our cheap power production down, in the name of World emissions, is a token gesture which decimates our industry for an ideological belief.
Which might give you a warm feeling, in he pit of your tummy, but it will kill our industry and jobs.
You two, getting some kind of mutual satisfaction off each other, doesn't make your case correct.
Actually, I've always said, to shut down coal is dumb, also I think smurph agrees.
The problem is we have an abundance of coal, and by World emissions are really non existent.
To shut our cheap power production down, in the name of World emissions, is a token gesture which decimates our industry for an ideological belief.
Which might give you a warm feeling, in he pit of your tummy, but it will kill our industry and jobs.
You two, getting some kind of mutual satisfaction off each other, doesn't make your case correct.
My personal view is to take a pragmatic approach.Actually, I've always said, to shut down coal is dumb, also I think smurph agrees.
My personal view is to take a pragmatic approach.
Any possibility for diesel or gas turbines running on ethanol from sugar cane ?
Gas - dumbest thing we've ever done as a country is sell practically the whole lot thus depriving ourselves of what would otherwise be a reasonably cheap (not much more costly than coal) and reasonably clean (60% lower emissions than coal for base load operation) energy source.
By 2021 Australia will eclipse the Persian Gulf state of Qatar to become the world's biggest exporter of liquefied natural gas.
In that year, when both countries are forecast to pump and ship roughly 100 billion cubic metres of LNG each, Qatar's government will receive $26.6 billion in royalties from the multinational companies exploiting its offshore gasfields.
According to Treasury estimates, Australia will receive just $800 million for the same volume of gas leaving its shores.
Spot on. To give you an idea how stupid the Australian government/s have been at giving away our gas.
Our 2nd cheapest option for base load energy and we practically give it away while seeing an enormous increase in the price of gas nationally and then they also complain of a gas shortage due to the CSG moratorium in NSW. I'm not sure why conservatives aren't up in arms about this.
Energy Australia's Managing Director Catherine Tanner said:The solution to high prices, she said, was a national plan to transition to the future of energy into renewables.
Energy Australia, which is one of the country's largest operators of coal-fired power stations, took the unprecedented move of taking out a full-page advertisement in a national broadsheet declaring its support for a non-partisan push for clean energy.
While renewables are more expensive now, Ms Tanna told The Business they were the better option in the long-term.
"As at today, newer forms of energy are more expensive than some of the older forms of energy, but over the next 20 years those older, cheaper forms of energy are going to retire," she said.
"That's a reality and that's why we need a plan to transition into those newer forms of energy."
Her comments echo the sentiments voiced in a joint statement issued from an unlikely alliance of 18 groups — including the Business Council of Australia, the Australian Aluminium Council and World Wildlife Fund — demanding a non-partisan approach to energy policy.
"Let's understand what the problem is, get the facts on the table and then altogether we have to work on solutions," Ms Tanna said.
"The single-biggest barrier to investment is uncertainty around policy settings," she said.
"So when there is a lot of rhetoric about policy settings changing, no matter who it comes from, or a lot of flip-flopping about the fiscal assumptions it makes it very, very difficult for anyone to make a commitment to new projects."
Energy Australia boss backs renewables.
If there are still coal heads out there, you need to read this.
My bolds and italics
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-14/energy-australia-boss-worried-about-power-bills/8267070
Spot on. To give you an idea how stupid the Australian government/s have been at giving away our gas.
Our 2nd cheapest option for base load energy and we practically give it away while seeing an enormous increase in the price of gas nationally and then they also complain of a gas shortage due to the CSG moratorium in NSW. I'm not sure why conservatives aren't up in arms about this.
The point you fail to make is the the Qatar Government has a 50% plus infrastructure stake in the gas industry where as neither the Australian Government nor the states have no investment outlay so therefore the state government ( not the Federal Government) are reliant on royalties as with other minerals taken out of the ground in that particular state...The Federal Government does not give away gas but they collect taxes from the operators and the states benefit with royalties.....There is another play that comes into contention and that is called competition...We have to accept the market price.
I went through this exercise with another ASF member some months ago.
Correct if I am wrong but the $26.6 billion you mention is not just royalties but made up of profit and royalties..
The point you fail to make is the the Qatar Government has a 50% plus infrastructure stake in the gas industry where as neither the Australian Government nor the states have no investment outlay so therefore the state government ( not the Federal Government) are reliant on royalties as with other minerals taken out of the ground in that particular state...The Federal Government does not give away gas but they collect taxes from the operators and the states benefit with royalties.....There is another play that comes into contention and that is called competition...We have to accept the market price.
I went through this exercise with another ASF member some months ago.
Correct if I am wrong but the $26.6 billion you mention is not just royalties but made up of profit and royalties..
https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...1749065/ITF+PRRT+Brief+2+Qatar+-+Sept2016.pdfRoyalties levied
on the two companies involved in LNG exports, Rasgas and Qatargas, account for a
third of total government revenues from natural gas production in Qatar. Government documents
show that in 2013-14, LNG royalties charged on exports of 104.26 billion cubic metres (bcm) came
to AU $17.68 billion.
This is equivalent to 23.35% of the industry's export revenues
Additional revenues streams include corporate income tax and returns on investments made by
state-owned companies in the sector. In 2015 alone, Qatar Petroleum's joint venture partner Shell which has only a 30% holding in one of the seven plant- paid almost US $1 billion in taxes, production share and fees to Qatari government bodies. Estimated combined total government revenues from LNG production in 2013-14 is AU $53.67 billion.
I fail to see how this is a good deal for anyone really. Well, apart from those making money out of selling gas at triple the former price.
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