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It would be good if someone just asked both sides of politics, to put up a plan, a detailed plan, not a back of the napkin excuse for a plan.Chris Bowen will be on National Press Club on Wed 17th July.
If members here know any journalists it would be a good opportunity to let them know what questions to ask.
When I was a lot younger I dated a woman who's since become a journalist.Some of us have much higher standards in the "who I know department" .
Mick
personally, I married someone else for the money.When I was a lot younger I dated a woman who's since become a journalist.
She's at the ABC these days, has also worked for News Corp, Channel 7 and the BBC.
I'll avoid names. She married someone else for the record.
Another way to look at this is to go further away from the Coalition, not to Labor but to the Greens.Trying to be neutral in terms of my own views and just looking at what the Coalition are doing from a political perspective, I see it as them realising the other side (Labor) are somewhat backed into a corner.
So there you are, you have a contact .When I was a lot younger I dated a woman who's since become a journalist.
She's at the ABC these days, has also worked for News Corp, Channel 7 and the BBC.
I'll avoid names. She married someone else for the record.
My guess is you dodged a bullet, it would be a fate worth than death IMO.When I was a lot younger I dated a woman who's since become a journalist.
She's at the ABC these days, has also worked for News Corp, Channel 7 and the BBC.
I'll avoid names. She married someone else for the record.
Well I did read that as of now, only Albo, Chalmers and Bowen can discuss nuclear.Another way to look at this is to go further away from the Coalition, not to Labor but to the Greens.
Now would the Greens prefer to support new investment into natural gas or diesel?
Or would they prefer large storage hydro?
See the politics here? Opposition to hydro was literally the founding basis of the Greens meanwhile in recent times they have a high profile position against fossil fuels. Labor has similar views. But one or the other has to give.
The Liberals probably couldn't care less either way but they've presumably realised the other end of the scale has a good chance of ending up in an internal battle over the issue and that gives them an opportunity politically.
Sounds good, but I would at least double the original estimate.Well I stumbled on this pumped hydro project, it sounds promising and expected to up and running by 2031, apologies if someone else has already posted the article.
Sydney’s main source of drinking water could also supply enough renewable energy to power almost a third of the city’s households by 2031 if a pumped hydro project using a former coal washery proceeds as planned.Proposed $4bn pumped hydro project could power a third of Sydney’s households by 2031
Private energy retailer behind the project above Lake Burragorang says venture would be about half the generation size of Snowy 2.0www.theguardian.com
Zen Energy, an energy retailer, announced on Thursday it had signed an agreement with the state-owned Water NSW to build a reservoir at Nattai on the escarpment about 400m above Lake Burragorang on Sydney’s south-west fringe.
The project has an initial cost of $3bn to $4bn and would be financed mostly through debt, a Zen spokesperson said. At 1,000 megawatts of capacity and with about 3km of tunnels, the venture would be about half the generation size of the Snowy 2.0 pumped hydro project, which is presently estimated to cost at least $12bn with its 27km of tunnels.
The proposed Western Sydney pumped hydro venture would cycle about 10 gigalitres of water between the two water bodies. Lake Burragorang, which sits behind Warragamba dam and can hold more than 2,000GL, would see its water levels rise and fall about 10cm, the spokesperson said.
The Nattai site is a former coal washery that has been rehabilitated over the past two decades and is now mostly bare rock. However, the lake would still have to be lined to ensure that water cycling through does not contaminate Sydney’s water supplies below.
The close proximity to Sydney and the avoidance of land clearing in a national park are among the advantages the WSPH project has over its larger Snowy 2.0 counterpart. The region’s sandstone is expected to be easier to bore through than the mixed geological area the Snowy Hydro project has had to contend with, the spokesperson said.
The Nattai venture will still require several years of feasibility studies to determine whether it is viable, with the WaterNSW approval just the first hurdle to clear.
Zen said coal was mined in the area between 1930 and 1992, with the coal washery in use until 2001. If all approvals and a social licence are secured – with $1m a year to be set aside for a community benefit scheme – construction could begin in 2027 and be operational by 2031, it said.
“The vast water reserves of Lake Burragorang can supply Sydneysiders with clean drinking water and clean, renewable energy as well,” Zen’s chief executive, Anthony Garnaut, said in a statement.
At least it is something, now we just have to wait and see how long approval takes.Sounds good, but I would at least double the original estimate.
As long as there is enough spare energy to do the pumping.At least it is something, now we just have to wait and see how long approval takes.
@Smurf1976 may be able to give us a back of the napkin how many GWh it is likely to provide. I noticed that quite a lot of the high flying renewable guys are involved, so the nuclear announcement may have pushed them to announce the idea.
Meet our people leading ZEN to a zero-carbon world
Our people are the backbone of driving ZEN Energy towards a zero-carbon world. Meet the team powering renewable energy herewww.zenenergy.com.au
I dont think that will be a problem.As long as there is enough spare energy to do the pumping.
Not that many.@Smurf1976 may be able to give us a back of the napkin how many GWh it is likely to provide.
between 3.3 gigawatts and 5 gigawatts of demand – equivalent to the combined generating potential of approximately two of Australia’s biggest coal-fired power plants – could be added to the east coast grid by 2030 on the back of growth in data centres and artificial intelligence.
Which goes back to what we keep saying, this isn't a static issue, where we need x amount of renewables by a certain time, the number is exponential and growing.Meanwhile on the demand side:
Power-hungry data centres are booming in Australia. Can the grid cope?
An explosion in the number of data centres in Melbourne and Sydney, which will use vast amounts of electricity, is looming as a new test for the grid.www.theage.com.au
Now for that to work requires supply.....
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