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Update on that story.And the issues just keep coming.
Major wind farm withdrawn after more planning delays, downsizing, name changes and fierce opposition | RenewEconomy
Ark Energy pulls plans for its second wind project in six months, this time over repeated planning delays for a project criticised for being too close to world heritage areas.reneweconomy.com.au
Meanwhile time moves on, the coal generators get older and the gas plant probably isn't getting built.Update on that story.
"A record 130 renewable energy projects are currently being assessed under the federal regime, a process that Clean Energy Investor Group CEO Simon Corbell said "lacks predictability, transparency and timeliness".
More than 100 renewable energy projects are stuck waiting for approval under federal environment laws
More clean energy projects than ever are being assessed under federal environmental laws and it's slowing down the pace of development, according to investors.www.abc.net.au
Eraring (NSW) closure still planned for 19 August 2025. There goes 2880 MW.Meanwhile time moves on, the coal generators get older and the gas plant probably isn't getting built.
Are you still involved in keeping the lights on?Eraring (NSW) closure still planned for 19 August 2025. There goes 2880 MW.
Torrens Island B (SA) closure still planned for 30 June 2026 although one unit is already mothballed in practice. There goes 800 MW (or 600 MW if the mothballed unit isn't counted).
Plus on the gas supply side we're only about 12 weeks away now from the permanent shutdown of plant 1 at Longford (Vic). That's gas supply not electricity but has relevance.
How capable is Eraring of continuing past 2025?Eraring (NSW) closure still planned for 19 August 2025. There goes 2880 MW.
Torrens Island B (SA) closure still planned for 30 June 2026 although one unit is already mothballed in practice. There goes 800 MW (or 600 MW if the mothballed unit isn't counted).
Plus on the gas supply side we're only about 12 weeks away now from the permanent shutdown of plant 1 at Longford (Vic). That's gas supply not electricity but has relevance.
Suffice to say my current focus is more on identifying what's actually happening, as distinct from what could or should be, so that money can be made or at least not lost.Are you still involved in keeping the lights on?
Technically could get a few more years out of it but trouble is, it's getting awfully short notice now.How capable is Eraring of continuing past 2025?
This is where I think the approach by the last Govt was better, in a way it was re nationalising the grid, if the private operators weren't prepared to adapt.Wholesale energy prices plummet while the consumer continually pays more.
A great example of "entrenched inefficiencies" pointed out by @Smurf1976 .
Maybe it's time for governments to take over the middlemen (retailers) who are obviously competing for higher profits not lower prices.
Why have power bills skyrocketed when wholesale electricity keeps getting cheaper?
The wholesale price of electricity in Australia is three times cheaper than it was two years ago, according to new data from Australia's energy regulator, but retailers are still jacking up their prices.www.abc.net.au
now we have a system in place where it is an open cheque book to meet a target.
Other models have also worked pretty well in the past.I have always thought that subsidies to private firms should be in return for a portion of equity, ie shares where the taxpayers continually get dividends.
Yes, whatever arrangements that worked for the benefit of all would be acceptable.Other models have also worked pretty well in the past.
For example AGL was from 1837 to the 1990's a shareholder owned but in practice quasi-governmental company. The NSW state government officially protected the company in various ways, it couldn't be taken over for example, and granted it a monopoly over gas supply. One the other hand, government also regulated the price charged and required the company to make gas available to any industrial user that needed it, even if extending the pipes wasn't economic.
Or in SA's case historically SAGASCO was the equivalent. A privately owned company as such, but government was the largest shareholder. It didn't just supply gas to Adelaide, it was also one of the early Australian distributors of LPG to rural areas, something government saw as a priority at the time.
Or in Tasmania the Launceston Gas Company, which is the oldest predecessor company ultimately merged into what is now Origin Energy, went a step further. One thing it did, straight after WW2, is get involved with housing construction. The community desperately needed it done and the company had resources to do it. Not a unique situation - AGL once got involved with sealing roads in Sydney a very long time ago. Another "needed doing" situation.
So quite a few historical precedents for various arrangements. The details differ with what's required today but the same concepts could be applied of government working with private enterprise in a mutually beneficial manner.
It is funny how @SirRumpole sees the root of the issue as market economy aka capitalism when I see the mandated push to net zero, decades old talks of closing coal power stations, subsidies and law bypass to "green" projects while preventing gas exploration and usage the cause of our ills.Yes, whatever arrangements that worked for the benefit of all would be acceptable.
These days though the slavish addiction to market economics by some and the bloated cries of "sovereign risk" scare (some) governments away from any intervention.
It is funny how @SirRumpole sees the root of the issue as market economy aka capitalism when I see the mandated push to net zero, decades old talks of closing coal power stations, subsidies and law bypass to "green" projects while preventing gas exploration and usage the cause of our ills.
I agree but it is not market economics to blame, it is the crooked mixing of both model.... In a real market economy, the coal plants would produce 24/7 and your bill would be at 10c per kwhI simply point to the fact that when the country had State controlled power systems, prices were about half of what they are now.
Why some people think that commercial operations out for maximum profit can deliver cheaper services than authorities that don't have to make maximum profits is beyond me.
Yes, times have changed, but given that the government has decided to reduce emissions, a properly planned and coordinated approach through State owned systems would be more effective than the endless rounds of concessions, subsidies, regulations and "watchdogs" on the private sector, where people are tripping over their own feet and the prices for consumers only go one way.
I agree but it is not market economics to blame, it is the crooked mixing of both model.... In a real market economy, the coal plants would produce 24/7 and your bill would be at 10c per kwh
So now if we want to decide on a technology etc..the CO2 stupid fight, then we force an uneconomic model and either we pay private companies to do it..and so pay for cost plus asset investment loans plus profit for said companies whereas obviously..but not so obvious for our leaders of both persuasions , just taking over the lot would make more sense: shareholder profits saved and cheaper credit..
So do we blame root cause..net zero various flavours..or the implementations ...dumb as we both agree..
I tend to blame the..not new..breaking of a working system under this new CO2 fighting faith..as this is what it is,a cult/religion/faith
But it is now too late for sorting either cause or effect imho.
So get your own power system , batteries and watch the show
I'll argue the problem is in the detail.It is funny how @SirRumpole sees the root of the issue as market economy aka capitalism when I see the mandated push to net zero, decades old talks of closing coal power stations, subsidies and law bypass to "green" projects while preventing gas exploration and usage the cause of our ills.
I think we can all agree that the current type of neither capitalism nor communism energy economy does not work...
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