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The future of energy generation and storage

That would make sense, buying the power on the open market, would always cost the most.
Sounds like another taxpayer subsidy will be required.
 
Some possible excitement this week in Qld and NSW.

Current forecast for Thursday 16 November. All figures are in MW.

NSW:
Scheduled Capacity = 7332
Scheduled Demand = 8488

Queensland:
Scheduled Capacity = 9348
Scheduled Demand = 8807

So there's a definite reliance on transmission Victoria > NSW and not a lot of room for anything to go wrong without the lights going out. It'll probably make it through but it's uncomfortably close and could plausibly go wrong.

Underlying cause, the ultimate one, is a lack of sufficient capacity and that some of what we do have is getting old and tired.

At the more detailed level, there's some planned outages for maintenance (it has to be done sometime.....) and there's also two substantial generating units currently limping along with significant faults that'll require a shutdown to rectify. No comment as to which they are or what company owns them but it's major plant not something trivial.

Plus of course Callide C power station is still being put back together. Present return to service dates are projected at:

Unit C3 (the one with the cooling tower structural collapse) commencing 7 January 2024, full operation by 18 February 2024.

Unit C4 (the one with the catastrophic mechanical failure) commencing 19 May 2024, full operation 6 July 2024.

Between the commencement and completion dates there should be some generation but not full capacity and not necessarily continuously.
 
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I wonder if we could get an undersea transmission line from New Zealand ?
 
Just had a thought on another thread, might be completely ridiculous, but regarding Aussi super going in hard, to stop the loonies taking over Origin Energy.

 
France seems to be going in exactly the opposite direction to Germany and others in the plans for a future with significantly less fossil fuels.
From Evil Murdoch press
Time will tell whether the French approach is better or worse than that of Germany et al.
But the important thing is they have a workable plan, that will be able to provide a security of supply as well as reduce the reliance on fossil fuels.

Mick
 
Exporting power could well become a major source of income for France, as you say it will be interesting to watch how it all unfolds.
 
Exporting power could well become a major source of income for France, as you say it will be interesting to watch how it all unfolds.
Not sure if there is as much interconnection as we might think.
This Report , states
France itself according to this 2022 Report does not have a lot of interconnection capacity.
Given past French insouciance, I suspect they would prefer to keep the p[pwer to themselves.
Mick
 
Given past French insouciance, I suspect they would prefer to keep the p[pwer to themselves.

The lines of national security are getting pretty blurred.

Politicians who are responsible to their electorates might get worried when the population asks why electricity they generate is going to someone else.

Maybe Britain got out in time ?
 
There are scams and then there is this:


As for that turbine, well it has a vague resemblance to a francis turbine (hydro) but only vaguely....

Then there's this one:


No way they're running all those lights and a welder with some relatively easy pedalling.
 
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At last someone in politics has stumbled across common sense, good on South Australia for adopting a pragmatic approach.

The Hydrogen and Renewable Energy Act 2023 provides access to capital investment – estimated at $21 billion – as well as allowing developers and investors to compete for land in the state which can be used for wind or solar projects.
However, it's understood the legislation is technology agnostic when it comes to how the hydrogen is produced – meaning it could pave the way for so-called 'brown hydrogen' projects created from coal, or 'blue hydrogen' created from methane gas.

Minister for Primary Industries and Regional Development Clare Scriven defended the Act, arguing "all types of hydrogen generation will contribute to building the necessary infrastructure required in the transition to a future clean hydrogen industry," according to InnovationAus.com.
"Allowing all hydrogen types encourages the industry to develop and test economically feasible technologies, which will ultimately bring down the cost of hydrogen production," she added.
The legislation streamlines the process for those seeking to invest in large-scale hydrogen and renewable energy projects, by creating a single regulatory process for environmental impacts, native title rights, and land access.
 
Only a small contribution buy worthy nonetheless. I assume they have done the numbers on whether the construction costs and concrete, etc are included in any net savings calculations.

 

Oxymoron: a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction

The report states:
"Australia’s energy networks are operated by a series of companies – large ones include, for example, Ausgrid, Energex and Jemena."
and
“Government action is needed to make power bills fairer and more affordable,” Orme said.

A closer look at that shows that Energex is actually owned by the Qld government
Ausgrid was owned by NSW government and sold some off but still holding 49.6%
Jemena was owned by Qld & SA governments and in various iterations were sold to Chinese and Singaporean interests.
 
Well, well, well. Is there a rotting rat stuck in these partially owned companies than they don't want the peasants to know about.
 
Even 'Aunty' ABC is onto it, now comes the real test, how much are electricity prices going to come down? As @Smurf1976 and myself said several years ago, if they want to actually do this, it will have to be a $hit or bust effort, the slow climb over the hump wont work it will lead to more unscheduled problems with cycling old plant.
The only way ahead IMO is to throw in heaps more renewables and storage than is required, settle it down and then retire your old generators, that means a lot of money a lot of materials and a lot of manpower, where all that is going to come from before 2030 was always going to be a problem.
Legislation was the last thing that was needed, a good plan, a good build up and a great execution of the plan is what was needed. Unfortunately Canberra isn't famous for that.

From the article: The interesting bit IMO, more inflation needed?

Groups including the ACTU and Smart Energy Council have urged the government to set up a $100 billion fund — along the lines of the Biden administration's IRA — to attract investment into "green manufacturing". This hasn't been completely ruled out, but stumping up such a huge sum to join the global arms race on green subsidies doesn't appear to be the government's favoured option.

Instead, Chris Bowen has chosen another route to put the 82 per cent renewables target back on track — a route involving more taxpayer subsidies. How much more, conveniently, will remain confidential.
 

Andrew Forrest's Squadron Energy quietly pulls plans for Port Kembla gas-fired power station​


 
I guess when it all falls on its ar$e as @IFocus would say, well we set the targets we had FA plan, it fell on its ar$e someone else fix it.

Why would anyone invest in gas when the whales are singing, let's be honest it is all looking very, very shaky.
Secret investigations into the brain fart, isn't a good look, it would be getting a lot more airplay, if potato head was running it.
All the balls in the air, seem to be tumbling down at bit earlier than anticipated, should be an interesting next couple of summers especially if Origin is taken over and Erarang is shut down.

 
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