Don't waste your breath, eventually it will become obvious, it will be self resolving because energy is too critical to fail.Not only is it a small grid but it has even smaller industrial components..than the rest of Australia..which does not say much...
When will we start seeing costing, and not just of free solar power or cheap wind power but the lot: grid storage and baseload and final cost per kw
Considering we are closing our 6 coal plants nationally, that is probably less than the amount going online in a week in the rest of the world,I can check if you want...
at one stage,it would be wise to use our brain and ask some questions. But how dare i?
Have to say the article while using the same idea.. leverage the depth is quite silly...fill the bottom with water and pump up, drop..I mentioned the idea for using depts and cement blocks gravity battery inold mine sites a while back
Hey. I am not the only loony
It is actually thought about
How coal mines could be turned into giant "batteries" for energy storage
Old coal mines can be converted into "gravity batteries" by retrofitting them with equipment that raises and lowers giant piles of sand.bigthink.com
Bowen deciding to wait to have the argument until it is required, which is fair enough, as long as he doesn't leave it too long and paint himself into a corner.
‘It makes no sense to me’: Bowen rules out nuclear power
Opposition leader Peter Dutton says Australia must consider small modular nuclear plants as part of its power mix but Labor says the energy source doesn’t stack up with renewables.
SA has beaten California to that one.A very good article on the issues that renewable grids are facing.
California duck curve now a canyon as grid load vanishes in the midday sun | RenewEconomy
reneweconomy-com-au.cdn.ampproject.org
I can guess why it makes no sense to Bowen, given he has the mental capacity of a half eaten peanut butter sandwich.Bowen deciding to wait to have the argument until it is required, which is fair enough, as long as he doesn't leave it too long and paint himself into a corner.
‘It makes no sense to me’: Bowen rules out nuclear power
Opposition leader Peter Dutton says Australia must consider small modular nuclear plants as part of its power mix but Labor says the energy source doesn’t stack up with renewables.
MickThe Olkiluoto 3 (OL3) nuclear plant completed the transition from testing to regular output last month to become Finland’s first new nuclear plant in more than four decades. It is expected to produce up to 15 percent of the country’s power demand.
And while the plant’s production is still in its early days, its launch has had a considerable effect on Finland’s energy prices, lowering the electricity spot price in the country from €245.98 per megawatt-hour (MWh) in December to €60.55 per MWh in April, a reduction of more than 75 percent, according to physical electricity exchange, Nord Pool.
Energy prices had risen sharply in the Scandinavian country after the Finnish government banned electricity imports from neighboring Russia last year due to the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. The utilization of nuclear power will be welcomed by Finnish consumers, particularly given the fact that Finland has the highest per-capita electricity consumption in the European Union.
“We have had more stability in the system because of OL3. It’s a huge nuclear plant, one of the biggest in the world, connected to a small system,” said Jukka Ruusunen, chief executive of Finland’s national grid operator Fingrid. “It has its own risks, which we are happy to follow up on,” he added.
Speaking to The National, Ruusunen explained that wind power is expected to be the largest source of energy production in Finland by 2027, with nuclear currently being a useful and reliable substitute.
He said that wind power is capable of attracting greater investment, with nuclear energy seemingly being blacklisted by a number of environmental investors.
“Nuclear, it seems, is not very attractive for the investors. This is what they say. But, it’s an option and I’m sure that our politicians would be in favor of these decisions,” he told the news site.
There are also business concerns:
“Who dares to put billions of euros into nuclear?” he asked.
Nuclear, however, continues to be an increasingly popular source of energy production in many EU nations with France, Sweden, Poland and Hungary all seeking to expand their nuclear energy output.
Last month, Poland secured $4 billion in U.S. funding to help build 20 small modular reactors across the country by 2029, while Hungary is focused on expanding its Paks nuclear power plant.
The Finnish example is a testament to how nuclear can play a part in solving the current energy crisis, with consumers still paying sky-high fees for energy in many European countries.
Germany, however, went the opposite way and controversially closed down its three remaining nuclear power plants last month. High inflation, high energy costs, and a sharp decline in industrial output have led to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) predicting a recession is in the cards for Europe’s powerhouse.
The big issue that California has that that W.A, S.A and Tassie doesn't, is a 13GW load ramp in three hours, jeez that takes a lot of dispatchable standby generation, ready to go in a very short time,?SA has beaten California to that one.
SA system load actually goes negative at times. That is, the distribution network feeds transmission with the only net load being export to Victoria.
In the Australian context WA and Victoria are both rapidly heading in the same direction with Tasmania being the only state no expected to reach that point of zero net system load, due to distributed solar, in due course.
We don't have that in one state agreed but we're not far from it across the total NEM, it's roughly comparable to California in terms of the actual numbers.The big issue that California has that that W.A, S.A and Tassie doesn't, is a 13GW load ramp in three hours, jeez that takes a lot of dispatchable standby generation, ready to go in a very short time,?
13GW in three hours, that really takes some getting my head around and that is only one State, when you consider all of the U.S that is not going to work with batteries IMO.
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Folks are desperate to get these damn coal buring power stations shutdown, but when they do, power prices rise.Wholesale power prices are expected to rise because of a delay in bringing two central Queensland coal-fired generators back online, the state's deputy premier said.
Key points:
- The two units were expected to come online progressively from September
- That has now been pushed back to next year
- Deputy Premier Steven Miles said the delay was "frustrating"
A fire at Callide Power Station, near Biloela, in May 2021 triggered one of the state's worst power outages in decades.
The two units were expected to progressively come back online from September.
But the owner, CS Energy, on Tuesday said this timeline has been set back.
One of the units, C3, is now predicted to be back at half its capacity from January next year.
C4 is expected to return from May next year.
The more units that aren't available, the less they will have to take the others off and on, which results in less maintenance and failures. Sounds like a good move to me, if I owned a station with say four units, I would much prefer to run two constantly than four intermitently.Life got a little more complicated.
Callide power station repair has been pushed out further.
From ABC News
Folks are desperate to get these damn coal buring power stations shutdown, but when they do, power prices rise.
Just makes so much sense.
Wonder how many more delays there will be.
Mick
Well this shows some countries aren't as mentally retarded as us, they mothball stuff, rather than blow it up to make a bold statement. ?
Taiwan Considers Keeping Nuclear Reactors on Emergency Standby
- Government to maintain reactors if power tight: vice president
- The island has planned to phase out nuclear power by 2025
Taiwan is considering keeping nuclear power plants on standby in case of emergencies, signaling a loosening of policy to phase out the energy source.
The government plans to maintain shut reactors so that they could be restarted in an emergency, Taipei-based United Daily News reported, citing Vice President Lai Ching-te, the ruling Democratic Progressive Party’s presidential candidate. It’s the first time the
Agree on the economics for the owner.The more units that aren't available, the less they will have to take the others off and on, which results in less maintenance and failures. Sounds like a good move to me, if I owned a station with say four units, I would much prefer to run two constantly than four intermitently.
Whether it is the owners responsibility to ensure a reserve margin or the governments, will be the major discussion as the transition moves on and the coal generators become more worn out.Agree on the economics for the owner.
Trouble is on the technical side there's not a lot of reserve margin left. If anything else major goes wrong, things will get "interesting" and not in a good way.
There's 3500MW of wind generation running in Victoria right now but at other times it's zero.Whether it is the owners responsibility to ensure a reserve margin or the governments, will be the major discussion as the transition moves on and the coal generators become more worn out.
It will be interesting to see who pays for the accelerated wear caused by excessive cycling, as I am thinking, this period will take a lot longer than people expect.
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