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Primary (non-rechargeable) zinc air cells are what powers most hearing aides as one example of current use. They're also the most practical "drop in" replacement for mercury batteries which are now banned in most (all?) countries due to their toxicity but there's still some equipment around that was built to use them.Apparently Zinc air batteries are now already available
As we keep saying, batteries in reality haven't progressed at the same rate as other technologies i.e semiconductors, metal technology, computer processing power, they really haven't had that huge breakthrough yet.Primary (non-rechargeable) zinc air cells are what powers most hearing aides as one example of current use. They're also the most practical "drop in" replacement for mercury batteries which are now banned in most (all?) countries due to their toxicity but there's still some equipment around that was built to use them.
On a larger and rechargeable scale, the idea isn't new, has been around since at least the 1960's that I'm aware of and perhaps longer, but in practice other chemistries have had the advantage for the sorts of applications batteries have historically been used for.
An advantage of zinc is that it's relatively cheap and abundant as a material. Australia accounts for about 10% of world production with around a quarter of world reserves. Zinc is known to exist in every Australian state with active mines Qld, NT, NSW, Tas and WA. Small scale mining of it has occurred in the past in SA too.
About a third of Australia's mined zinc is refined to high purity metal at plants in Tasmania and Queensland.
Callide unit C3 back in operation as of Monday and has been ramped up gradually to full output so two months after the incident it's back in action.As an update on the situation in Queensland:
Gidday Smurf, you are obviously involved in the industry given your previous comments, so I have a question.Callide unit C3 back in operation as of Monday and has been ramped up gradually to full output so two months after the incident it's back in action.
Unit C3 is physically closest to C4, the one that suffered the major incident, and is technically identical hence the time to check everything and put C3 back into operation.
Units B1 and B2 are further away, indeed strictly speaking they're a separate power station albeit at the same site and with buildings interconnected but they're separate as such and technically different in design. Hence there was no real concern about those and they were returned to service sooner.
As for the damaged (effectively destroyed) unit C4, the official date at this stage is the end of 2022 so still 17 months away. Obviously that's a target date with considerable uncertainty in practice given the scale of work required.
There's been a few near misses with supply in Qld and NSW recently, most recently on 21 July and again on 22 July, where the lights weren't far from going out due to insufficient supply available so having Callide C3 back running will certainly help there and should help subdue some of the upwards pressure on prices seen over the past two months also.
Qld average spot market price for June 2021 was $236.79 versus $42.10 for June 2020.
NSW average spot price for June 2021 was $183.51 versus $51.25 for June 2020.
There'll be some companies who've made or lost significant $ out of all that. Those who are generating or consuming large volumes and who aren't price hedged via suitable contracts.
Units B1 and B2 are further away,
Much speculation and guesswork by many but no firm answers at this stage.Has there been any indication as to what may have caused the major catastrophe?
Crews battle Tesla battery fire at Moorabool, near Geelong
Are these battery blow-ups common?
Australia consumes about 200 terrawats for its 25 million people.Kenya has now more than tripled its production from 198MW to almost 672MW in just six years.
It now generates almost 50% of its electricity from this source.
The big problem is these massive battery boxes, are actually just jam packed full of individual cells (about the size of a jumbo AA about 65mmX18mm) connected in series/parallel configuration, once a fire starts it will just run rampant through the pack until it runs out of shorts to reignite it.Are these battery blow-ups common?
Yo Sptrawler, one thing that people used to comment on was the synchronisation of the network.The big problem is these massive battery boxes, are actually just jam packed full of individual cells (about the size of a jumbo AA about 60mmX15mm) connected in series/parallel configuration, once a fire starts it will just run rampant through the pack until it runs out of shorts to reignite it.
They have cooling tubes running through and safety cut outs but with a fire, it doesn't follow a certain path, it can jump sectors, so very difficult to stop once it starts, that is why the battery management systems (BMS), have to withstand massive surges as a grid linked battery will have to withstand huge inrush and discharge currents, when system disruptions happen.
This is why we keep saying all this has to be technically driven, not politically or emotionally driven, disasters are a fleeting moment away, when you are talking the energy flows in the grid.
The tests they were doing on the battery, would have been probably been to see how they performed with load rejection or overload, where load is instantly applied and or rejected.
That is one of the major issues the AEMO is currently trying to deal with, system stability relies on inertia when there is a hit, also all the generating components in the grid have to be able to 'droop' so that they pick up load equivalent to their size and ability. There is no point having the smallest generator trying to pick up all the load in a disturbance and the largest generator picking up nothing.Yo Sptrawler, one thing that people used to comment on was the synchronisation of the network.
From what i remember, the inertia of the big turbines provided a a very stable 50 HZ generation that all other systems were able to sync to.
If all the big continuously running turbines (whether they be gas, diesel, coal etc). are taken out of commission, or only run infrequently, what is the current mechanism for providing a base 50HZ for the non continuous supplies to tie to?
I guess if there are some large Hydro generators to provide the inertia it would be ok, but they sometimes need to be turned off due to lack of water.
Mick
Yo Sptrawler, one thing that people used to comment on was the synchronisation of the network.
From what i remember, the inertia of the big turbines provided a a very stable 50 HZ generation that all other systems were able to sync to.
If all the big continuously running turbines (whether they be gas, diesel, coal etc). are taken out of commission, or only run infrequently, what is the current mechanism for providing a base 50HZ for the non continuous supplies to tie to?
I guess if there are some large Hydro generators to provide the inertia it would be ok, but they sometimes need to be turned off due to lack of water.
Mick
An inverter operating as an islanded power system, that is without the grid, can of itself send out 50Hz with no external reference so long as it's designed to do so.what is the current mechanism for providing a base 50HZ for the non continuous supplies to tie to?
I guess if there are some large Hydro generators to provide the inertia it would be ok, but they sometimes need to be turned off due to lack of water.
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