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As the top graph states, without storage renewable resources lack dispatchable characteristics and associated benefits of conventional technologies.Here's the picture that suppliers see:
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Clearly renewables are the way to go.
That's further backed up by future cost declines:
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While new build renewable costs are low, without any carbon costs to factor in, and without an HVDC spine to tap into in order to even out the vagaries of wind and sunshine energy inputs, major private sector investments are going to remain thin.
I'm somewhat typecast as 'that guy' who's been on about it for a very long time.I'm sure smurf would be able to say whether the companies were warned that an over supply situation might occur
Yep.Instead we have a roadmap where the new roads to be built or being built are guided by a carrot and stick approach.
The technicals are in the "too hard" basket, along with who would pay.
As I've said many times - there's radical change in this industry but the grid as such is going to become far more intertwined with society not the reverse.Well it looks as though the penny has dropped at AGL, not before time IMO, now it looks to be getting on the front foot.
They give the system inertia, but they do draw power, having said that they are relatively cheap. Synchronous condensers are more flexible as they can be used for VAR control, but smurf will be able to comment, I'm going off fading memories. ?Flywheels as an alternative to batteries ?
Any comments on the economics of one v the other ?
I'm cautiously optimisitc.Labour has come up with a community battery policy they will take to the next election.
Really depends on the scale and intended purpose.They give the system inertia, but they do draw power, having said that they are relatively cheap. Synchronous condensers are more flexible as they can be used for VAR control, but smurf will be able to comment, I'm going off fading memories. ?
I'm cautiously optimisitc.
It's one of those things which could be of significant benefit if done well or a complete waste if done poorly.
Location is key and I'll be straight to the point there - there's not much correlation between the right places to put batteries and how "safe" an electorate is politically.
I think everyone knows where that thought is going. Done well it could be a great idea but I'll reserve judgement at this stage until the detail is apparent and it's clear that the batteries to be installed aren't the type which involves the use of pork or barrels.
I'll reserve judgement pending confirmation that the batteries are 100% free of pork and barrels.
In W.A community batteries have been rolled out for quite some time, maybe Albo and McGowan have be been talking.I'm sure there will some judicious use of "pork and barrels". I think however the key elements will be executing a quality cost effective installation that works well for the community, the power companies and the grid itself. I suspect there is now so much solar power around that one could argue for a community battery in many locations. In fact it wouldn't surprise me if there was additional support for solar installations in some areas to improve the technical need for a battery.
If I was Labour I would be proposing a range of batteries and installation models to enable good comparisons between potential systems and encourage a fast learning curve.
Well at last the issue of renewables and gas in the immediate future, is coming to a head, it needs to because someone needs to be held accountable for the outcome.
The States are basically responsible for their electricity assets, yet the Federal takes responsibility for any shortfall, so the debate needs to be robust.
From a personal perspective, I would rather have a big at call gas station siting there and not needing it, than needing it and not having one. ?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-12/four-corners-gas-plan-pressured-experts/100055730
It can also run off hydrogen, so can the gas cooktops in people's homes, it certainly appears the ABC has an axe to grind, they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.Exactly, that's the issue.
Building other stuff like pumped hydro takes decades and we need something else in the meantime so gas seems the best medium term alternative.
But also in the long run gas turbines can also run off other fuels like ethanol, which if it's made from sugar cane is a renewable fuel and could support the sugar cane to ethanol industry which would also help alleviate our reliance on oil for land transport.
Brazil does it, so can we.
It can also run off hydrogen, so can the gas cooktops in people's homes, it certainly appears the ABC has an axe to grind, they aren't doing themselves any favours IMO.
These muppets that have the black/white, renewables or nothing are being stupidly blinkered.
If we get to a point where green hydrogen production is sufficient, gas turbines running on hydrogen saves making a lot of dams, a lot of batteries etc and is available 24/7. The turbine might not be required to run 24/7 but it is there if needed and is perfectly 'green'.
The reporters are being dumb ar$e IMO, next they will be ramping up the rhetoric against dam storage and the environment.
They wont be happy until Australia is flucked.
Tribal politics and pizz poor reporting will equal a pizz poor outcome.
Just my thoughts.
Like i said 90% of the problem IMO, is the media coverage is based on political/ environmental bias and presenting flawed information.Yeah I agree.
Trouble is that there are too many people/businesses pushing their own lines to the detriment of others.
Smurf said it a long time ago, "anything that works".
This should not be a competition, but a cooperation between different alternatives that are all viable in certain circumstances.
Get the rent seekers out of decision making and turn it back to (unbiased) scientists and engineers.
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