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The theoretical total area of panels at maximum efficiency needed to power Australia was identified, rather than the "practical" size of any solar installations.I can't see how they are working out the amount required, the one in NW W.A is going to be 11GW and cover 7,000sq/km.
The Eastern States need a lot more than 11GW yet from your article, it will only cover an area of 900sq/km, something doesn't add up.
The intermittency issues of wind and solar are well known, and the energy regulator needs to ensure that policies - like those now being adopted in the USA - which integrate capacity with battery storage, are essential to the success of renewable adaptation.If renewables can effectively run the system 24/7 for 365 days of the year, then that is great and they will be the answer, time will tell.
I am not aware this project is going ahead. It is very poorly sited, and had as its main advantage simple and immediate access to the grid. I would have joined SSAG, as I lived in Canberra and know exactly where the site is having worked occasionally on a friend's farm in the area.Hi Rob, I saw this on the internet this morning, just as a point of interest.
https://www.yasstribune.com.au/stor...up-raises-concerns-about-solar-farm-proposal/
Yet another report on the viability of nuclear power from the Australia Institute a progressive think tank.
I wonder if we will ever get a truly independent report on our future power needs. (maybe if Smurf writes it)
Ziggy Switowski reckoned we should have 25 nuclear reactors by 2050.
The big problem is that most reports, studies etc are done by someone with a vested interest in a specific outcome.
Aspiring gas importers unsurprisingly come up with solutions which involve using gas.
Mining companies come up with solutions which involve something being mined.
Transmission companies come up with solutions which involve a lot of transmission lines.
And so on.
Big problem is that nobody's looking at the whole picture and that hasn't really been done for a quarter century now hence the mess we're in.
At a personal level I've concluded that it will take a major crisis to bring any real action and I know I'm not the only one who's come to that conclusion. Government and much of the population have their heads so far in the sand it ain't funny.
No energy supply = no food or water for most of the population. And yet bizarrely we have lots of apparent concern about farms and water but not the diesel and electricity without which they fail to function.
Looking at the immediate future, Victoria's in a world of pain if the various major problems aren't fixed by the end of the year. With the major failures at Loy Yang A and Mortlake, the extended outage of two units at Somerton, ongoing issues at Yallourn and now a major transmission failure onshore in Victoria cutting all supply between Tasmania and Victoria, it's all rather shaky that's for sure.
Most Australians are clueless about what going nuclear would mean, because they only really think about the problem of waste storage.Yet another report on the viability of nuclear power from the Australia Institute a progressive think tank.
I wonder if we will ever get a truly independent report on our future power needs. (maybe if Smurf writes it)
Ziggy Switowski reckoned we should have 25 nuclear reactors by 2050.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08...ower-is-not-the-answer-for-australia/11450850
Nailed it.Most Australians are clueless about what going nuclear would mean, because they only really think about the problem of waste storage.
Nailed it.
There are places in the world where nuclear is arguably a sensible choice but quite simply Australia isn't one of them since the conditions which favour it are, broadly speaking, the opposite of the circumstances we have in Australia.
That said, the way things are going we'll end up with an "anything that works" approach regardless of how sensible it is.
That's a complete misunderstanding of where we are at.That is the whole issue IMO, the unbending demand that only renewables be installed, meanwhile existing base load gets older and fails more.
there must be some thing happening in the back ground surely?
Very rousing, maybe you could make a suggestion, as to what size renewable generating and storage plant could be installed to overcome the obvious problem with base load dispatchable power.That's a complete misunderstanding of where we are at.
Without an overarching policy on energy there is no incentive for the private sector presently to spend on more baseload given that the best bang for their buck is from renewables, even if it's idle.
At best Snowy 2.0 is 2024, so that is not going to keep the lights on as the south east swelters through another 5-6 hot summers.
The federal Minister should be sacked, and someone competent be put to the task. But that will not work either, because the Coalition are ideologically opposed to the concept that renewables should be predominant. So long as we have the private sector investing in the cheapest form of energy, and no national policies to ensure energy security for consumers, we will remain in this rut.
The notion that this will be "self resolving" is really code for "things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get any better."
The big problem is the lack of room to move when things go wrong, due to insufficient capacity, and the amount of problems actually occurring now being rather high.
I've previously mentioned the major failures at Loy Yang A and Mortlake plus the onshore transmission fault in Victoria which has cut all supply to and from Tasmania.
I don't think the details are public so I won't say much but on 28th August another significant source of supply in Victoria failed in the early hours of the morning.
It's pure good luck that the weather is mild due to seasonal factors but if it was properly hot / cold or if much more went wrong then things would be rather interesting in Victoria yes.
Baseload is not the issue.Very rousing, maybe you could make a suggestion, as to what size renewable generating and storage plant could be installed to overcome the obvious problem with base load dispatchable power.
Base load is a problem, otherwise overnight your storage is being used, when morning load starts coming in at 0600, there is no point having most of yesterdays storage gone.Baseload is not the issue.
The issue is capacity in extreme circumstances.
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Nope.Base load is a problem, otherwise overnight your storage is being used, when morning load starts coming in at 0600, there is no point having most of yesterdays storage gone.
It may well be an overcast day, with no wind, meanwhile everyone is looking at the depleted storage levels, of course base load is an issue.
If you have several days, where renewables can't cover the day time load and top up the storage, then you have a major issue.
What isn't an issue is the evening peak, everything should be ready and charged, covering that is the easy part.IMO
If as you say, it is only times of extreme circumstances, they can be circumvented by voluntary load shedding.
Nope.
You are inventing a problem which did not exist.
For many decades there was plenty base load power and renewables were never part of the mix.
Nowadays renewables are eating into the time of day where energy is most required, not when it is least required.
You need to apply critical thinking to this issue.
The correct issue to address is ensuring that known consumption peaks are married to capacity.
In that regard, the policy makers have failed.
As existing generators break down or are phased out, replacement capacity should be matching it in every regard. But there is no investment incentive for this to occur. So, investment is instead in the cheapest sources of energy, and there is no requirement that they have concomitant storage.
Your ideas were along the lines of there being some agenda that demanded only renewables be installed, whereas it is a simple investment decision being made while the policy makers do their vacuous best.
This story is for anyone who wants to open a conversation about the economics and practicalities of a nuclear power station vs renewable energy.
A rolling absolute disaster. The wiki article has some horrible insights.
Hinkley Point: the ‘dreadful deal’ behind the world’s most expensive power plant
Illustration for Hinkley Point nuclear plant long read Illustration: Guardian Design Team
Building Britain’s first new nuclear reactor since 1995 will cost twice as much as the 2012 Olympics – and by the time it is finished, nuclear power could be a thing of the past. How could the government strike such a bad deal? By Holly Watt
https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...deal-behind-worlds-most-expensive-power-plant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_Point_C_nuclear_power_station
Several are becoming expert and repeating what has been discussed at length previously. IMOAs pointed out in the first article, power generation and cost benefit analyses are secondary as far as nuclear reactors in the superpowers are concerned.
The main reason they were constructed in the first place and are still being constructed is to provide fuel for nuclear weapons and nuclear submarines, the rest is just for show.
when morning load starts coming in at 0600, there is no point having most of yesterdays storage gone.
It may well be an overcast day, with no wind, meanwhile everyone is looking at the depleted storage levels, of course base load is an issue.
If you have several days, where renewables can't cover the day time load and top up the storage, then you have a major issue.
What isn't an issue is the evening peak, everything should be ready and charged, covering that is the easy part.
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