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The future of energy generation and storage

Just an update on what's going on in the power industry:

The SA government's diesel-fired gas turbine power stations are now ready to operate when required. Capacity is 276 MW (nominal) split between two sites in the Adelaide urban area.

Also the Hornsdale Power Reserve (aka the big Tesla battery) is now registered with AEMO for both generation and load (charging) so that's another 100MW of peak supply.

So things are looking better in SA although it's not enough to say that the supply is secure. Less at risk than it would be without these new sources of supply but the risk of a supply shortfall isn't zero by any means.

Meanwhile in Victoria I hear that there's about to be some rather strong encouragement to simply switch things off. So you can use your air-conditioner sure, but they'd like you to turn if off when it's hot outside to keep system load down since there's insufficient supply to meet the peaks. The details are a bit uncertain but in short it's a case of offering $ to not use electricity during the nominated times with metering data used to confirm that individual consumers did in fact turn things off.

Here in Tas we've got quite a bit of generating plant out of service at the moment. Nothing to panic about, it's just planned maintenance to make sure it all keeps working reliably and that Basslink (the Tas - Vic power cable) can be fully loaded supplying into Vic when demand spikes in that state.

At Cluny PS (Tas) a complete major overhaul has been done over the past few months and the power station will soon return to operation. It wasn't broken, it was fully operational the day it was shut down, but it was time to thoroughly check and as needed replace things to return it to "as new" condition to ensure it remains reliable.

As part of the work at Cluny a new turbine runner is being installed which is an improvement on the original design by using a hub that isn't filled with lubricating oil as Kaplan turbines normally are. That sort of technology wasn't around when it was originally built and whilst there has never been a major incident, the surest way to make sure you don't have an oil spill is to not have oil in the first place (noting that 60% of Hobart's water supply is pumped from the river downstream so an oil spill wouldn't be good). This follows the same approach being applied successfully at Paloona and Meadowbank power stations in recent years (not without some initial problems but that's all sorted now).

Also major maintenance works (complete overhauls not just regular maintenance) in Tas are about to happen at Devils Gate, Wilmot, Liapootah*, Wayatinah* and Repulse power stations over the next year. In NSW Snowy Hydro is doing some similar major works at Tumut 1 PS.

*Liapootah and Wayatinah each have 3 generators and work on some units has already been done. Do one then do the next etc so that the power station can remain partly operational during the work - this is desirable in order to move water through them for use by other stations both upstream and downstream.

Bottom line - things are a bit better in SA but still not great. Vic has lots of problems just waiting for the inevitable. NSW / ACT is borderline. Nothing to worry about elsewhere unless there's a truly major incident.:2twocents
 
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Excellent. When there is one in every petrol station I may think of switching. PS the take up of purely electric cars in Australia has been abysmal whereas hybrids are booming.
 
Excellent. When there is one in every petrol station I may think of switching. PS the take up of purely electric cars in Australia has been abysmal whereas hybrids are booming.

PS did you say you were a mate of Robert Llewellyn ? Could you ask him where I can get videos of Scrapheap Challenge, I can't find them anywhere. :)
 
Excellent. When there is one in every petrol station I may think of switching. PS the take up of purely electric cars in Australia has been abysmal whereas hybrids are booming.

If you owned an electric car, you would just charge at home, you only need external charging on road trips, So you don't really need them at every service station.

So far its only really luxury cars that are electric, But they are on their way, Tesla emailed me a few days ago saying mine will be here in early 2019, I am guessing from 2020 onwards you will see a huge spike in EV sales.

I don't know Robert Llewellyn with personally, I just watch his videos
 
If you owned an electric car, you would just charge at home, you only need external charging on road trips, So you don't really need them at every service station.

So far its only really luxury cars that are electric, But they are on their way, Tesla emailed me a few days ago saying mine will be here in early 2019, I am guessing from 2020 onwards you will see a huge spike in EV sales.

I don't know Robert Llewellyn with personally, I just watch his videos

Australians love their road trips though, so while not at every service station a significant roll out needs to take place to give Aussies the confidence that EVs are suitable for the Australian way of life.
 
The Trump administration is attempting to promote coal fired power stations as part of the future energy mix at the Bo0nn Climate Change conferance. Just hasn't gone down very well..

Tobacco at a cancer summit': Trump coal push savaged at climate conference
The US administration’s attempt to portray fossil fuels as vital to reducing poverty and saving US jobs is ridiculed in Bonn
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Monday 13 November 2017 21.40 GMT Last modified on Monday 13 November 2017 21.42 GMT

The Trump team was heckled and interrupted by a protest song at the UN’s climate change summit in Bonn on Monday after using its only official appearance to say fossil fuels were vital to reducing poverty around the world and to saving jobs in the US.

While Donald Trump’s special adviser on energy and environment, David Banks, said cutting emissions was a US priority, “energy security, economic prosperity are higher priorities”, he said. “The president has a responsibility to protect jobs and industry across the country.”

Other attendees at the summit condemned the argument.


“Promoting coal at a climate summit is like promoting tobacco at a cancer summit,” said Michael Bloomberg, the former New York mayor and a UN special envoy for cities and climate change.


Benson Kibiti, from the Kenya Climate Working Group, said: “More coal will entrench poverty.”

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/13/bonn-climate-summit-trump-fossil-fuels-protest
 
Australians love their road trips though, so while not at every service station a significant roll out needs to take place to give Aussies the confidence that EVs are suitable for the Australian way of life.

Tesla already rolled out super chargers between Brisbane and Adelaide. and more are coming rapidly. So road trips are not a problem, especially considering you can charge at your destination.

You can drive pretty much anywhere across the USA using the super charger network.

this guy drove Brisbane to Melbourne in his Tesla showing all the superchargers, and the more cars that sell the more charging locations will be built.

 
If you owned an electric car, you would just charge at home,

Don't under estimate how awesome home charging is, and how little you will need external charging.

Most of you would visit a fuel station once a week, So you are very rarely (if ever) using more than a tank of petrel in a day, so you would never need to charge away from home.

Think about it, if every day you magically started with a full tank of petrol would you ever need to go to a service station? nope. except for that road trip, but then you just use a super charger.

Thats the beauty of home charging, you start each day with a full tank. So many times on a Saturday night my partner has said "don't forget we are going up to the coast to visit Mum tomorrow" and then I remember that I need fuel so have to make a special trip to the petrol station that night because I don't want the hassle in the morning, with an electric car I would just plug it in and and not have to worry.

Petrol engine vehicle owners waste more time filling their cars than Electric vehicle owners spend charging theirs.

EVs save you time.


 
and then I remember that I need fuel so have to make a special trip to the petrol station that night because I don't want the hassle in the morning, with an electric car I would just plug it in and and not have to worry.

Yes it is convenient. The other parameter though is cost. You either depend on the grid suppliers who will charge (?) through the nose if they could, or spend money installing your own solar panels (which are pretty useless anyway to charge your car overnight). Cars with exchangeable batteries would be useful so you can charge them from your home during the day and swap them over at night. That's a fair way away I suspect.

Maybe if an EV with solar PV on the roof is parked out in the sun all day it may charge while people are at work, I don't know, but then you have to consider rainy days, and parking in a covered car park is useless unless the car park provides charging points.

A lot of parameters to consider here, it's a question of whether governments want people to take up EV's or not and whether they want to supply the infrastructure first and how much tax they have to place on electricity to replace fuel excise.
 
Maybe foldup battery charging solar panels with a car socket for emergency car charge or at work top up would be a good invention. I know there are foldup panels for camping now.
 
Massive game changer, Tesla just announced their new truck.

800 km range.
30 min charging. (Drivers must take 30min break by law anyway, diesel trucks take 15min to fill)
0 - 60 mph in 5 secs (15 seconds with max legal load)
50% faster up hills than best diesel trucks.

 
Unit 1 at Loy Yang A failed suddenly a month ago and is still being repaired.

Unit 2 at the same plant now seems to be having issues, output is down around 20% which is not normal for a plant that typically runs flat out.

Yallourn has Unit 4 offline for maintenance (nothing to worry about there, maintenance is necessary from time to time) but Unit 1 at Yallourn went down suddenly at about 5pm (Vic time) today. I don't have any official info from them but it sure didn't look like a planned shutdown so something seems to have gone wrong.

Both of the above plants are located in Vic.

This doesn't pose any immediate threat to supply but there'd be major problems if the same thing happened when the weather wasn't so mild. The capacity lost due to these problems is just over 10% of Vic's peak demand (or just under 14% if the maintenance outage of Yallourn Unit 4 is included).

These sort of failures have always happened, things break, but in the past there was spare capacity to be able to cope but that's all gone these days.

I've said it before but it's only a matter of time until the ducks line up and Vic has a problem that makes SA look like a minor hiccup in comparison. When is anyone's guess but at some point it'll happen in the absence of some pretty major actions to avoid it.
 
Shell introduces its first "rapid charger"



There was a lot of uming and aghing, probably because the reporter didn't ask, what happens when the servo is full of people having a sandwich and a coffee waiting for the car to charge.
Once the number of chargers are taken, you could be waiting ages, for your turn.
That is the whole issue, at the moment the servo gets heaps of through put when it takes 3 minutes to fill, what happens when it takes 30 minutes to fill?
Like I said it isn't an issue at the moment, because there are so few electric cars, but when you have 8 chargers in a servo, and even if it takes only 10 minutes to fill it will be a nightmare.
Also the servo will have to charge enough for their electricity, to compensate for lack of throughput and still make money on the investment.
 
Once the number of chargers are taken, you could be waiting ages, for your turn.
That is the whole issue, at the moment the servo gets heaps of through put when it takes 3 minutes to fill, what happens when it takes 30 minutes to fill?

99% of people with EV's be charging at home while 1% will use charging stations vs petrol cars where 0% of people fill at home and 100% need to go to the servo, so there is a huge difference in demand.

Also, electricity is everywhere, not only will most people be charging at home, but charging stations will pop up all over the place in the most unconventional locations eg Supermarket and shopping centre car parks, workplaces, car washes, hotels, restaurants, cafes, hospitals, train stations, office building carparks this company is even turning every day lamp posts into charging stations.



Pretty much every where you go you are only metres from an electricity supply, it doesn't take long for people to use their imagination and work out solutions.

Also the servo will have to charge enough for their electricity, to compensate for lack of throughput and still make money on the investment.

Once EV's are the norm, a lot of servos will go out of business, only ones in Key locations will survive, one's in locations that do a lot of convenience store business for example or are nice places to stop.
 
I will be going off grid for the household first, planet second. Dependence on others for anything is vexing. Staying on grid dependence to assist others to lower their bills is a nice gesture.
 
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