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I currently only have property in WA also. However I have been looking at inner city townhouse in Melbourne. This is a very biased decision though becuase the only reason I am considering it is that I like Melbourne as a place to live - and there are some beutiful townhouses I have seen at affordable prices (under $700k). You can also get some older places which would suit renovation really cheaply.
The idea would be to rent it out for a couple of years then move over there . I am too young to live in perth
Over the next 5 years I dont think you will go wrong in the Pilbra.
At the moment demand exceeds supply by a significant percentage, however on whole numbers its not so raw. It would only take one or two major development in some areas to bring it back to equalibrium. In which case rents will come back, as will property prices. Its the only reason I didnt go there.
I like Geraldton atm and bought there about 2 years ago. Geraldton has been flat for about the last 3 years, following a massive spike and I think it will be pretty flat for the next 3-4 years. There are 100's of vacant blocks either on the market or proposed. So supply is exceeding demand at the moment. Interestingly rentals values have held up ok. But long term I think it will become a pretty major hub for mining companies.
My most recent purchase though has been close to the city (7kms). Mainly because it was a deal I couldnt walk away from.
 
Property has to be the only investment where people say "I made 10%" or 20% etc and conveniently choose to forget that if your property went up X, so did the place next door. It makes it hard to obtain value over the long term unless your investing in different markets.

If you make 20% on a property in say 2-3 years, you can invariably bet you'll have to pay substantially more for the next property than you would have 2-3 years earlier.

Everyone should own their own place if they can, however its a bit of a joke that interest payments on investments are tax deductible, but not on a principle place.
 
Australian properties? Blah, buy properties in China instead! Much better paradise there. But of course, the government there is looking to stop it too.


Hey, at least the Chinese government admits there is a bubble over there.
 
Only 2 this is off topic if the economy is off topic for house prices long term trend lines broken and rallied back is that good enough?

Thanks. Must admit not so sure what these are showing me though.
 

Personally I like inner Melb. Take a long term view and can't go wrong. Melb's population expected to surpass Sydney within 15 years - people have to live somewhere, and aspire to live somewhere else.

Know absolutely nothing about WA. Would appreciate some info
 

This point is valid, but only if a) you sell and b) you buy again.
You could say the same about shares. I bought abc company made $100k, sold them for $2 each. But if you want to buy that same asset back it will cost you $2, plus you have lost tax, buying fees etc. How is it different?

Why would you sell one investment property to buy another? It doesnt make viable commercial sense.
Are you confusing investment property with personal place of residence (PPR)? PPR is not an investment.
 
Everyone should own their own place if they can, however its a bit of a joke that interest payments on investments are tax deductible, but not on a principle place.

Not really. The deal is that you can not have your cake and eat it too. Investment property is subject to CGT other tax (eg on the rent) your principal place is not. Therefore you get the deduction for the investment (just like shares) and not for the PPR.

Bottom line you ought to be able to get a deduction for a genuine expense that has been incurred to generate taxable income.

To change this basic fundamental would cause untold of implications.
 
Bottom line you ought to be able to get a deduction for a genuine expense that has been incurred to generate taxable income.

Negative gearing does not produce taxable income, rather, a tax loss.

Suprises me the number of people that dont understand they are going backwards with negative gearing and are relying on future capital gain to offset that loss.
 
Negative gearing does not produce taxable income, rather, a tax loss.

Suprises me the number of people that dont understand they are going backwards with negative gearing and are relying on future capital gain to offset that loss.

OK to get technical taxable revenue. If your revenue is taxable then your expenses must be deductible. If not you will start distorting mkts in a significant way.

BTW I agree regards future capital gains offsetting losses - not a good way to go.
 

With shares if you sell one block to buy another, you can sell one high and buy one low much easier than property.

Not confusing investment property with PPR. PPR is a tax effective investment IMO if you own.


Yes, I realise that. I've owned investment property in the past. There are heaps of outgoings as you've listed, CGT on sale, potential GST, rates, land tax, maintenance, agents fees and commission when you sell along with stamp duty on the way in. Of these its the land tax, and stamp duty that get me most. The commission you have to wear as part of doing business.

What untold implications? It would affect all the people who buy investment property so they can gear it for a tax "break"?

I'm all for property, its just not a very liquid asset class and you only get the value of what someone will pay, no inbuilt intrinsic value. I'd rather live in it than invest in it. That may change though at a later date, everyone's different though. It'd be boring if we were all the same

I think prices in Sydney's Inner West will come back, they have really rocketed within the last 6 months.

Negative gearing does not produce taxable income, rather, a tax loss.

Suprises me the number of people that dont understand they are going backwards with negative gearing and are relying on future capital gain to offset that loss.

Agreed, I still haven't quite worked out the big attraction to negative gearing.
 
Negative gearing does not produce taxable income, rather, a tax loss.

Suprises me the number of people that dont understand they are going backwards with negative gearing and are relying on future capital gain to offset that loss.

You can have positive income and still get the tax right off from your depreciation etc..

Ie.. I have some units which are on interest only loans..
Interest $3000 a month
Rental Income $4000 a month
Outgoings about $500 a month
Net Income in the pocket $500 a month
Depreciation about $8000 per annum
Tax loss about $2000 per annum
 
Bloody Hell!

It's too sickly sweet being a property bull. I'm going back to being a bear so I don't keep getting reflux in my mouth!

Turn it down a bit FFS!
 
hello,

grab a dose of pure aussie residential RE for that reflux WayneL, will be sorted in minutes

anyone else need assistance?

thankyou
robots
 
hello,

grab a dose of pure aussie residential RE for that reflux WayneL, will be sorted in minutes

anyone else need assistance?

thankyou
robots
No thank you. I may partake across the ditch, but not Oz.
 
hello,

thats fantastic, and those who participate in aussie RE will take the ride and the glory

sure you feelin' good when a trade goes well

thankyou
robots
 
Hi,

Posted this response on another site with the thread titled

We're building towards a home construction boom


I'm upon for discussion.
 
So you want to prey on FHB's that can't afford to pay off their mortgage due to high interest rates?

Prey? I would have thought the guvmint was the one doing the preying that were not called on to bail FHB's out of the mess the guvmint got them into.
Or would you rather noone bought the property. and let the bank reposses and sell for whatever and pursue the FHB or whoever else it is for the rest of the debt. I have seen repossession auctions in tough times , everybodies after a bargain.
Unfortunately it is not usually higher rates that causes the problem but a lack of financial acumen and an expectation that
1 Prices rise forever (never happened before prices fluctuate all the time even on a yearly basis but not noticed by most) only when one is forced to sell.
2 Job security (for both and in terms of hours worked etc)
3 Bills that suddenly appear like rates, insurance, plumber or electrician callouts that before were taken care of etc.
4 car just blew up or needs replacing, House price has gone up use te equity and never get out of debt. ie rent fro bank instead of landlord.
But as santa says higher rates are likely to be blamed by both the papers and the couple
 
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