There are though plenty of other countries that offer what you describe above and don't have property prices near Oz prices. Pretty much anywhere in Europe, outside the major capitals. And of course the US does too, albeit with much more restricted free health care.
I've lived in a few places around the world, Sydney is extremely expensive, not just for property but for everything. Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I'd say that rents in New York would be slighty ahead of Sydney but NY is ridicuously cheap for everything else compared to Sydney (I'm talking 30-40% cheaper). Wages are roughly the same. Take housing in that context, afterall you still need to buy food, pay utilities, get to and from work, and Australia (or at least Sydney) looks very expensive.
Interesting perspective:
Call that an investment? Give us a break. We make no apologies for saying that is a rotten, rotten, rotten investment.
http://www.moneymorning.com.au/20121122/dont-be-fooled-by-australian-housings-death-fart.html111
We're in the same situation as the yanks from 04 to about 06. The economy is slowly eating itself away and getting ready for a big implosion that everyone says cannot happen.
Wages not growing.
Consumptions going to fall off the cliff.
Jobs going to be lost.
Consumption will fall even further.
Tax revenues going to plummet.
Government will lay EVERYONE off.
Feedback cycle.
Huge recession.
Lack of disposable income due to inhibitive housing costs won't help either.
Hmmm must not be hard becoming a financial writer. Here is some advice that saves the paragraphs of waffle:
Do your research before parting with the cash
I do wonder though how much research the average first home buyer does before parting with their cash. It seems from the people I talk to, they buy a property once they have saved up enough money - with no regard to timing of the market, the state of the economy or the future value of the property.
I do wonder though how much research the average first home buyer does before parting with their cash. It seems from the people I talk to, they buy a property once they have saved up enough money - with no regard to timing of the market, the state of the economy or the future value of the property.
If you sell, you still need to buy somewhere else...
And generally when you do by somewhere else, you upgrade. So if the value of your 400k first home drops 10% or $40k, the value of your 800k house will have dropped by $80k. So in reality, assuming a fhb is buying a house for somewhere to live, they are arguably better off with falling house prices.
But having bought a house 3 years ago, falling house prices are the least of my "losses", once you take into account all the improvements and maintenance to keep up with your lifestyle, home ownership, if you could even call it an investment, is a terrible investment, however I wouldn't have it any other way.
300*1.1 = 330
330-300= 30
500*1.1 = 550
550 - 30 = 520
So a year later, you're still out of pocket 20k on the 500k home.
All that was probably happening was they were getting some equity to borrow more off.
Agree. Many people, thinking about investments, are familiar only with housing and don't even consider anything else. They still assume 'property always goes up'.I would say about 90% of people do this. I would also think that there is also alot of investors that don't do the necessary research before purchasing a property either. A couple of guys at work have started negative gearing a property each in the past 12 months. did no research of area whatsoever, didn't explore opportunities outside of brisbanes south, one took the advice of his financial advisorout of pocket $60 a week. Good idea.
This is the attitude that now sees many property owners in negative equity because they bought near the top of the cycle, and borrowed 100% of the cost.
I would say about 90% of people do this. I would also think that there is also alot of investors that don't do the necessary research before purchasing a property either. A couple of guys at work have started negative gearing a property each in the past 12 months. did no research of area whatsoever, didn't explore opportunities outside of brisbanes south, one took the advice of his financial advisorout of pocket $60 a week. Good idea.
Terrible investment in this market imo. with prices depressed you should at least be cashflow positive even if it's by $20 a week. You may have to step out of your comfort zone(ie buy interstate or somewhere not around the corner) but it's more than possible.
It's a bit like saying most people buy a car somewhere around the time they get a driver's license, commonly around the age of 18 (that is, practically as soon as they can). Whether or not it's going to make them a profit or whether it's the best time to buy a car isn't a consideration - they want it so they buy it.I do wonder though how much research the average first home buyer does before parting with their cash. It seems from the people I talk to, they buy a property once they have saved up enough money - with no regard to timing of the market, the state of the economy or the future value of the property.
From a purely financial perspective, a car is unlikely to be profitable unless it's the only way to get to work. And, of course, it'll also save a lot if you wait until age 25 before buying one. Practical reality however is that most people buy a car as soon as they have a license and can afford to.
Holidays are another one. It could be argued that anyone in Australia who went to the US (for example) a decade ago made a big mistake given the subsequent currency movements. But if you wanted a holiday in 2002 and could afford it at the time then you weren't likely to wait until 2012 to take it just to save some money.
Same goes for housing. Bought a house at age 31 because I wanted to and could afford it. Had the mortgage paid off at age 35 and from a purely personal perspective couldn't care less what happened to house prices after that.
For broader social and economic reasons I'd rather a fall than a rise from this point. In the absence of either a wages boom or a substantial house price slump, there's going to be a lot of economic pain and social tension ahead I expect. But a wages boom would kill Australian business which leaves a house price slump as the least bad outcome.
Does anyone watch "homes under the hammer " on ch 72 sunday nights?
Interesting to see first time renovators having a go -rental yields twice and often 3x ours so it may help but we will have to wait to see how they do as it was 2009 vintage
Property managers here now not allowing the tenant to do ANY minor repairs [even changing a light globe, tap washers] due to duty of care - wonder where this will take us [You will have to call in an expert to put chlorine in your pool?]
I just popped in to have a peep, to see if anyone was still here posting.
I see this forum is still alive, but only just.
I note the bears are still posting, nothing has changed.
Property has performed exceptionally well, interest rates at their lowest ever, and it is all roses and lolly pops.
Unfortunately the stockmarket has deteriorated, and taken a load of players, and gamblers with it.
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