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And the rest? US and Japan?
Do you notice a pattern here? Housing bubbles destroy economies, and the countries can't do anything thereafter because they are economically stuffed. Same thing will happen here and in Canada.
Ironically China is the only country smart enough to put a stop to the madness - so they have a fighting chance.
I didn't say there were, but their bubble popped and prices are still heading down.
It's pretty much impossible to not make money in trading, I fail to see why everyone doesn't do it. It's not even hard. The real challenge is getting something like 1000% pa returns. Fortunately there is leverage
China has a problem which Canada and Australia do not have......empty houses/factories/offices on a scale that boggles the mind.
China housing is a true asset bubble. The only difference is most of the residential buildings that are empty have been paid for, in savings/cash attained by whatever means.
. I think this is going to end in tears soon though...as in the next ten years or so.
The biggest thing that still separates countries like Canada, China and Australia from the 2008 global crisis is the level of securitization, correct me if i have the wrong spelling.
I doffs me cap to the gents making it in commercial.
But I would have thought this thread was more about resi by implication....
...and the more SCM pontificates the more bullish I am getting on resi prop.:
Two things there which are not correct. Firstly Australia has many empty houses too. There are tens of thousands of them sitting in Sydney, bought by foreign speculators who haven't even bothered renting them out.
Second is that Chinese property need not be paid for at all. People do have to front a deposit - but the rest can be and is leveraged.
A lot of the money for the ghost cities was raised from the shadow banking system, and countless developers in China are now insolvent.
Sure, but this is not really relevant. A bubble is a bubble. Australia has the unique problem of not having enough money to fund it's great big bubble - so our banks have had to borrow about half of it from foreign banks.
SCM - a question for you. If the Australian market is in a bubble, does it mean it has to crash now? What is stopping it from inflating some more? Would like to hear your thoughts.
The level of securitization is very relevant. It's these securitization deals in the US that caused the US housing crash.
I'm not arguing whether it was a bubble, to each their own on that point, but given the cause of the 'pop' is not there, I can't see the Australian housing market crashing.
SCM - a question for you. If the Australian market is in a bubble, does it mean it has to crash now? What is stopping it from inflating some more? Would like to hear your thoughts.
Wow, don't forget everyone will get super aids and die SCM
Due to bubble mechanics, once a bubble has finished going up, it must crash straight away.
Methinks you have had one drink too many .......... you have disaproportioned yourself
Zackery ....... opportunity knows no bounds. When the blood runs in the street kinda stuff. It always amazes me the people who think in the negative cannot be swayed and have ZILCH experience but those in the positive camp are willing to look at both sides of the coin and make assumptions from there !
This is just priceless !All this from an engineer to boot ... LOLOL
Ok thanks - my error. Not that it helps me understand the first part of the post the bit about not buying unless it had fallen at least 40%. Shouldn't this read as 71.4%?I should also correct you that 250% over-valued is actually 350% of the original price (that being 100%).
Next, I never said that I will buy a property when prices drop by 40% or 60% or they are fair value - or any specific price point. I have said that I do not plan to buy a property anytime soon. If in the distant future house prices drop far enough that I feel they are affordable (measured by divergence from a price to income ratio of 3), and if I shall have a very significant need for a property, then that will present the most likely situation in which I will buy a property.
Ok thanks - my error. Not that it helps me understand the first part of the post the bit about not buying unless it had fallen at least 40%. Shouldn't this read as 71.4%?
I really don't understand why you said that you would wait until 2020 (before you leave the country out of frustration) when you have predicted continued falls until 2030 in this latest post. You clearly don't think there is any point buying a house here until the later date - so why even bother staying?
I know your position, but your targets never seem consistent to me.
Just as aside; if the mining industry is going to slow down, and construction projects and housing and all that jazz are also in major trouble - where does an "engineer" find work?
Wow, don't forget everyone will get super aids and die SCM
This is just priceless !All this from an engineer to boot ... LOLOL
Ok thanks - my error. Not that it helps me understand the first part of the post the bit about not buying unless it had fallen at least 40%. Shouldn't this read as 71.4%?
I really don't understand why you said that you would wait until 2020 (before you leave the country out of frustration) when you have predicted continued falls until 2030 in this latest post. You clearly don't think there is any point buying a house here until the later date - so why even bother staying?
I know your position, but your targets never seem consistent to me.
Just as aside; if the mining industry is going to slow down, and construction projects and housing and all that jazz are also in major trouble - where does an "engineer" find work?
what i dont understand about this thread is that it is really quite clear that the cons outweigh the pros in the current housing market. it simply isnt the best time to be buying your PPOR. there is negative news coming out from every corner or the globe on a daily basis, and yet majority of people are trying to cram this "there is always an opportunity no matter what" crap down everyones throats. with so much uncertainty in global financial and housing markets it would be insane to take a leap an unnecessary leap into property AT THIS CURRENT POINT IN TIME.
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