Reporting that experience from that time does not logically translate into my being 'a property bull'. I would absolutely not be buying property as an investment at present because capital gains are far from assured and the yield is pathetic, at least in the area where I live.
What? Where have I advocated going into property and/or getting into debt?
I have done nothing of the sort. Perhaps you could explain the source of your conclusion about what I am advocating?
I can only say that in my view house prices don't look sustainable, so I myself wouldn't be buying. On the otherhand beej has brought to light for me the problem of inflation and there exists a high possibility of the government inflating all our debts away. So if you don't get in now you won't benefit from your debt decreasing significantly in real terms due to inflation. In the end everyone needs to make their own decisions.
Thanks, lurker. No problem. I probably sounded a bit terse because I'm anything but a property bull at the moment.My apologies, I got ahead of myself and assumed you were a bull due to your support of Beej's comment on how as long as the price of property keeps rising your better off buying sooner rather than later.
The difference between us and them is we have a chance to pay ours off.
We are one of the only western countries with a growing population and a growing G.D.P.
Take the U.K. 59 million people, no manufacturing left to speak of, no raw materials to sell, minimal fuel reserves. They are dependent on the financial services sector and overseas investments. This has to support a massive social welfare system that is falling apart at the seams.
The U.K though is in great shape compared to Greece who have nothing to sell.
But in my opinion, to think that we are going to go the same way as the above mentioned countries, just doesn't add up. Like I said IMO
We are totally reliant on resources now, exporting dumb dirt, which means reliant on China.
As for GDP............
Australia's economy slowed more than expected in the December quarter, increasing the likelihood that the Reserve Bank will cut interest rates again to bolster demand.
The economy expanded 0.4 per cent in the quarter, compared with the revised 0.8 per cent pace reported for the September quarter, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics. Economists had tipped economic growth of 0.8 per cent for the December quarter.
- Annual GDP grows slowest since 2008
- Quarterly growth half of expectations
- RBA rate cuts to hinge on jobs strength
- Construction shrinks for 21 months in a row
"It's a disappointing result relative to expectation and the 1 per cent figure the Reserve Bank had in its forecast,’’ said Michael Blythe, chief economist for the Commonwealth Bank.
That's a massive miss by the (supposedly) top economists in the country, who have consistently gotten it wrong so far.
It would be interesting to know how many on here have actually experienced a recession - that's when you buy.....just need to have patience. Apparently the magic formula for avoiding the dreaded R word is to stimulate & subsidise and hope the debt can be paid off on the other side in better times. The only problem is that there looks like it will be a double dip and the gamble will only have made the situation worse.
The fact is we have just had 25 years of expansionary money supply to feed bubbles, biggest of which is housing, specifically investment property. That bubble started to deflate about the time Robots bought his last IP (or have you bought more since?)
But this despite the economic conditions, a personal decision about where I want to live, not at all because it makes good financial sense. If I thought the housing market would improve fairly soon, I'd hold off.As Julia above states she is building a house,
But this despite the economic conditions, a personal decision about where I want to live, not at all because it makes good financial sense. If I thought the housing market would improve fairly soon, I'd hold off.
Yes, I suppose I could. But I won't. I don't see too many tenants keeping it to the standard I do, thus best presentation for sale. Plus I can't be bothered with all the hassle of making two moves. Plus I have a large dog = difficulty in finding good rental accommodation.If you couldn't afford to do it or it didn't make sense for your situation, you wouldn't do it. The one thing we all run out of is time, as happened with the friend off mine in the earlier post.
It may take 10 years for house prices to rise again, who knows? That doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to buy one.
By the way can't you just rent out your existing house, untill things pick up?
Seeing you and I are only an hours drive from Sydney I thought I'd do a quick search for government jobs in the Sydney area. I found heaps of jobs going begging, no shortages there. I didn't know a lollipop man can get $24 p/h. That's good money for doing a bit of community work.
Here's the link, I got my eyes on the Mosman job:http://mycareer.com.au/jobs/sydney/defence-essential-services/state-government/
Wages have a small influence on costs??
What about the fact, that I now have more income to spend and therefore more inclined to make a more expensive purchase (such as property). I've now increased the demand for housing by 1. Unless supply rises to meet the new demand, prices will go up. Have you been paying attention in your economics classes lately? Or did you fail your uni subjects last year?
Of course should wages and assets stay the same in real term, the net change is 0 (despite an increase in price). However as Knobby22 pointed out, according to your chart wages rose in real terms - there is therefore more money in real terms to spend on assets, which is quite significant. To suggest that this would not have an impact on prices is absurd.
Housing demand should never increase house prices costs - and it doesn't in well functioning land markets like Germany, Texas, etc. If it does - then that is a sure sign of a bubble.
Isn't that just a sign of an open/unregulated market? (i.e. demand > supply, price goes up?)
Regardless of whether it's in land or any other asset...
For an IP, no I wouldn't be even considering it.
For Lurker: the above sentence is purely a personal view and does not in any way constitute advice to anyone about anything.
On real construction costs - yes, they are the smallest source of increase in construction costs. If it were not for the housing bubble inflating wages, they would be even smaller (ie. they should be smaller still).
No, it is not absurd. The price of a house and land package is the cost of land (which should never go up in real national average terms in a well functioning market) and the cost of building a house. Beyond the wages that have to be payed to construction workers, wages have zero impact on the cost of a house and land package.
Of course should wages and assets stay the same in real term, the net change is 0 (despite an increase in price).
However as Knobby22 pointed out, according to your chart wages rose in real terms - there is therefore more money in real terms to spend on assets, which is quite significant.
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