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as i said people that have been lulled into thinking property is such a brilliant idea in the past few years, and are leveraged to the hilt, after all it what does it matter if you're a mill in debt when RE will only ever go up(majority of the time)?
Shannon??? I lived most of my life in NZ and have never heard of it.It's something I'd rather keep to myself, but here is the town I'm focused on (and nearby Palmerston North) http://www.realestate.co.nz/residential/search/suburbs/2604
Shannon has been depressed for some time and at last has a dynamic core of individuals (plus moi hopefully) who will propel the town to better things. Wellingtonians have thus recently "discovered" Shannon as a cool fashion/daytrip destination.
Looking at an acreage space for PPOR and business opportunities as well.
But I want a bargain.
The figure works out the same for all of Sydney as you well know...i pay approximately 4.8% PA rent on the Approximate value of the property i live in.
4.5 to 5% gross yield less agents fees, insurance, water, rates, upkeep, repairs, and vacant periods etc. = 2.5 > 3% gross.... that's standard from Penrith to Potts point.
I see your problem, possibly due to lack of experience, you are grossly over-estimating the costs of property ownership. Try somewhere between 0.5% and 1% and you would be much closer to the true mark.
I see your problem, possibly due to lack of experience, you are grossly over-estimating the costs of property ownership. Try somewhere between 0.5% and 1% and you would be much closer to the true mark.
Spot on! The Aussie media and the blogosphere are dominated by real estate industry spruikers and shills who are paid to post positive spin on forums and blogs (yes even forums like this one) to talk up the market etc. They feed lies and propaganda to the masses. Read the blog below and watch the included video for evidence:
On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog, or a paid property spruiker
http://www.differenthere.com/2011/08/on-internet-nobody-knows-youre-dog-or.html
The public needs to open their eyes. To stop believing what they read about real estate in the mainstream press. Almost every media article about property is from a vested interest trying to pump up the market!
Shannon??? I lived most of my life in NZ and have never heard of it.
The properties featured on your link are hardly a bargain in a decent sized city, let alone in a small town.
What is it that you see in this place, Wayne?
Some hidden future prosperity?
OK, each to his own. But if you're going to opt for some small town, why not one where you have a chance of remotely OK weather???Julia, Shannon is between Palmerston North and Levin... about 90 minutes out from Wellington.
Mostly what I see is somewhere I'd like to live... if I stay here :
Welly?? Oh, my goodness.BTW NZ is no longer cheap... you wouldn't see prices like that in Welly.
OK, each to his own. But if you're going to opt for some small town, why not one where you have a chance of remotely OK weather???
Welly?? Oh, my goodness.
And coal, iron ore, gas, uranium etc. otherwise we would be in similar and probably worse state than the other nations experiencing lower quality of life.But we are different here we have Kangaroos and Echinas.
Are we that different here?
Over this thread and the previous property thread there was discussion that in Oz we are different. The US property market crashed due to the notion of "jingle mail" or non recourse loans and that Oz only has full recourse loans.
Some facts :
The US has 11 states that have non recourse loans and even those loans can be recourse, it just depends on what the judge determines if the lender takes the mortgagee to court.
Secondly, the states that had the greatest falls in property prices had full recourse loans , Nivada and Florida. Funny that anything that got smashed ended in a "a" just like Australi"a".
So that sort of squashes the myth on the American environment.
So Oz has full recourse loans so our property prices cannot crash, hmmmm, the funny thing is Ireland had full recourse loans and what happened to their property prices, they were in a bubble and crashed.
So we move on, Australia has a shortage of properties. This one has been much debated on this thread and many others, all sorts of stats have been thrown around. For me there will always be a shortage of affordable houses, but that does not mean there is a shortage of houses. I for one have been watching with baited breath the build up of unsold properties across Australia. Why arn't they selling, especially if they are a rare commodity. Interest rates are at historical lows and unemployment is still low.
And we move, Australian banks have been prudent in lending, bull---h. Many have offered 95% LVRs or greater and Australians mortgage debt to GDP is over 90%, this seems very dangeous to me with Australias ratio greater than the US. But we are different here we have Kangaroos and Echinas.
It would be great if some of the property bulls on this forum, they to are in shortage can counter argue the above with exception that I already know are fauna and flora is unique to Australia.
Cheers
RE is not declining everywhere in Australia! The internet is such a valuable research tool and you can find what you're looking for most of the time.Personally I think RE in OZ is going to continue declining in price for the next few years while the massive global debt-overhang is sorted.
RE is not declining everywhere in Australia! The internet is such a valuable research tool and you can find what you're looking for most of the time.
When this resource rush starts to decline I agree property in the present growth areas will moderate.yet.
Banks carry out such tests all the time. It's completely routine for them and one of the reasons we have such strong banks.l
indeed prices are set to crash. luckily our banks are stess testing for homes to fall to 30%, that should ensure their survival
now i wonder why banks would be carrying out such tests?
Banks carry out such tests all the time. It's completely routine for them and one of the reasons we have such strong banks.
APRA has just issued a directive to them to do this.
This will not cause the banks to do anything more than usual. It is APRA wanting to be seen to be doing something so no one can accuse them of being asleep at the wheel when the crash comes.
When this resource rush starts to decline I agree property in the present growth areas will moderate.
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