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Ann said:
Why not Sir Rumpy? You really should read more on this subject but as I said before, this is not the time, however not to shirk your reference. Please note the last sentence of the quote.

This is a quote from NASA ...

"But global warming became the dominant popular term in June 1988, when NASA scientist James E. Hansen had testified to Congress about climate, specifically referring to global warming. He said: "global warming has reached a level such that we can ascribe with a high degree of confidence a cause and effect relationship between the greenhouse effect and the observed warming."4 Hansen's testimony was very widely reported in popular and business media, and after that popular use of the term global warming exploded. Global change never gained traction in either the scientific literature or the popular media.

https://pmm.nasa.gov/education/articles/whats-name-global-warming-vs-climate-change
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If you are using that reference as part of your reading Ann you should be gaining a clear and sufficient understanding of the additional warming effect of the CO2 and other greenhouse gases humans have pumped into the atmosphere.

There are plenty of opportunities to research this topic. The people who have the most to say are not environmentalists but climate scientists whose expertise is this area.

The book I have given a referance for is as accessible and accurate as anything else.
http://www.globalwarmingprimer.com/primer/
 
SirRumpole said:
This is our climate change thread fyi.
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It is Sir Rumpy and that is one of my reasons for not commenting any further. I always feel it appropriate to respect other peoples' threads and what they are wanting to say..
 
The point being made here also has massive relevance to business and investing.

Very often people see what they want to see regardless of the truth.

Also very often people do what is profitable for themselves regardless of consequence. Yes that includes people employed to run businesses - not uncommon to find that in hindsight they put personal profit first and the business second.

There are genuine people in society yes but those who aren’t are a bit like rain. They’re common enough that you can’t avoid them and often you won’t know it’s about to happen until it does.
 
A (very) novel way to approach sustainability questions.

“We do not care about planet Earth,” four French scientists declared in February in the journal Trends in Ecology & Evolution. If humans are exhausting the planet’s resources, they wrote, it’s Earth that needs to adapt—not us. The authors issued a warning: “Should planet Earth stick with its hardline ideological stance ... we will seek a second planet.”

Scientific Life - "A Final Warning to Planet Earth"
Guillaume Chapron, 1,5, * Harold Levrel, 2,5, * Yves Meinard, 3,5,* and Franck Courchamp 4,5,*

http://www.economy4humanity.org/commons/library/1-s2.0-S0169534718300028-main.pdf
 
In other words get f..d.

And we are...............and gutted with humour now entering the circle.

But as said, just party
 
explod said:
In other words get f..d.

And we are...............and gutted with humour now entering the circle.

But as said, just party
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Hope you didn't take the Final Warning too seriously Explod.. Check out the story and you can see there is a fair bit of provactive denialism trolling .

Lets be real. Scientists have been calling for immediate action to "save our world" for ages. The general political response has been to ignore every call to action and talk about "more practical priorities" .
 
David Attenborough gave Davos both barrels in his presentations.

Firstly made it crystal clear that the global warming has to addressed immediately and overwhelmingly if humanity is going to survive. (He was that blunt..)

Secondly he noted the wider issue of environmental damage being caused by humanity which are also destroying the ecosytems in which we live.

David Attenborough and Prince William take world leaders to task on environment

Davos 2019: broadcaster tells prince that humans have power to exterminate whole ecosystems ‘without even noticing’
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...iam-take-world-leaders-to-task-on-environment

David Attenborough tells Davos: ‘The Garden of Eden is no more’
Human activity has created a new era yet climate change can be stopped, says naturalist

Graeme Wearden in Davos

Tue 22 Jan 2019 06.19 AEDT Last modified on Tue 22 Jan 2019 20.46 AEDT

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Sir David Attenborough has warned that “the Garden of Eden is no more”, as he urged political and business leaders from around the world to make a renewed push to tackle climate change before the damage is irreparable.

Speaking at the start of the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos, Switzerland, the 92-year-old naturalist and broadcaster warned that human activity has taken the world into a new era, threatening to undermine civilisation.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...ugh-tells-davos-the-garden-of-eden-is-no-more
 
How protecting the environment "works" in England.
George makes many interesting points apart from the obvious in the first paragraphs.

Worse than plastic waste: the burning tyres choking India
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George Monbiot
The British government is already flouting its own rules, allowing scrap tyres to be sent abroad for burning – what will happen post-Brexit?

@GeorgeMonbiot
Wed 30 Jan 2019 17.00 AEDT

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‘Every month, thousands of tonnes of used tyres leave our ports on a passage to India.’ Illustration: Sébastien Thibault/The Guardian
What we see is not the economy. What we see is the tiny fragment of economic life we are supposed to see: the products and services we buy. The rest – the mines, plantations, factories and dumps required to deliver and remove them – are kept as far from our minds as possible. Given the scale of global extraction and waste disposal, it is a remarkable feat of perception management.

The recent enthusiasm for plastic pr0n – footage of the disgusting waste pouring into the sea – is a rare reminder that we are still living in a material world. But it has had no meaningful effect on government policy. When China banned imports of plastic waste a year ago, you might have hoped that the UK government would invest heavily in waste reduction and domestic recycling. Instead, it has sought new outlets for our filth. Among the lucky recipients are Malaysia, Thailand and Vietnam, none of which have adequate disposal systems – as I write, our plastic is doubtless flooding into their seas. There’s a term for this practice: waste colonialism.

Our plastic exports are bad enough. But something even worse is happening that we don’t see at all. Every month, thousands of tonnes of used tyres leave our ports on a passage to India. There they are baked in pyrolysis plants, to make a dirty industrial fuel. While some of these plants meet Indian regulations, hundreds – perhaps thousands – are pouring toxins into the air, as officials look the other way. When tyre pyrolysis is done badly, it can produce a hideous mix: heavy metals, benzene, dioxins, furans and other persistent organic chemicals, some of which are highly carcinogenic. Videos of tyre pyrolysis in India show black smoke leaking from the baking chamber, and workers in T-shirts, without masks or other protective equipment, cleaning tarry residues out of the pipes and flasks. I can only imagine what their life expectancy might be.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...an-plastic-burning-tyres-india-george-monbiot
 
Sheeit

Kudos to the Moonbat for shifting some focus on other environmental stuff.

Dunno whether he's on target here or not, but this is where we should be focused imo.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...&gwh=946C17627D9530821B97E0D7AF903B48&gwt=pay

If the Earth Is Warming,
Why Is It So Cold Outside?
By KENDRA PIERRE-LOUIS JAN. 28, 2019

"The answer lies in the difference between local weather and climate.

Climate refers to how the atmosphere acts over a long period of time, while weather describes what’s happening on a much shorter time scale. The climate can be thought of, in a way, as the sum of long periods of weather." etc etc

https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...-thumb-cold-things-warming-faster-warm-things

"Colder places are warming faster than warmer places
This rule of thumb is really dominated by the fact that the arctic is the fastest-warming large region on the planet. The Arctic is warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the world. This “Arctic amplification” is driven by a handful of factors; the largest of these is the retreat of seasonal snow and ice. As the white stuff goes away, it exposes darker surfaces and land cover underneath; this introduces an additional warming effect across the region." etc etc
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"Even on a day when it is colder than average where you live, the world as a whole is frequently warmer than average, which you can see for yourself on..."
https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2anom

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Some recent cold spells have been caused by a dreaded weather system called the polar vortex. There’s growing evidence to suggest that the polar vortex is appearing outside the Arctic more frequently, because of changes in the jet stream that are attributed to the warming atmosphere. These changes help frigid air escape from the Arctic and swoop southward.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/18/climate/polar-vortex-2019.html
 
Joules your just full of it mate.
What in God's names has science and NASA pictures of the earth got to do with peoples God Given Right to be certain of their OWN Facts.
I can show you a thousand websites like Humans are Free that will prove CC is all a Jewish, commie, One World, Chinese hoax.

Really I could. And there are plenty of people on ASF who will defend to the death the right to believe in these facts.:)
 
basilio said:
Joules your just full of it mate.
What in God's names has science and NASA pictures of the earth got to do with peoples God Given Right to be certain of their OWN Facts.
I can show you a thousand websites like Humans are Free that will prove CC is all a Jewish, commie, One World, Chinese hoax.

Really I could. And there are plenty of people on ASF who will defend to the death the right to believe in these facts.:)
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that's the way ..... i knew buying the extra sized bowl of popcorn would pay divvies
(my first reply was "oh, there's chill in here....to ...."jeez it's hot in here" ...but either way i'd never win!)

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