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SirRumpole said:
Here is a review of it, but personal experience is better.

http://best-hd-antenna.com/tvfox-antenna-review-2017/
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I just watched a review and it said it’s a great antenna, and will make a Hd tv work really well.

But, the part about it being able to pick up channels you normally have to pay for is a scam, it’s just a really good antenna, that’s it.

Saying that even if it worked and allowed you to access paid channels for free, that wouldn’t be he right thing to do.
 
Value Collector said:
Saying that even if it worked and allowed you to access paid channels for free, that wouldn’t be he right thing to do.
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Yes, it's a bit of a moral poser isn't it ? :D

Pay $1000 a year for satellite Fox, when I could say give the money to charity or spend on other products like food. It's a problem which I will have to think deeply about.

<emoticon for deep thought>
 
SirRumpole said:
Here is a review of it, but personal experience is better.

http://best-hd-antenna.com/tvfox-antenna-review-2017/
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It's just an antenna that might get some free to air cable in the US, but I think you'll find it's a complete dud here.

Aren't you already getting HDtv through your house antenna. Does your TV have a tuner that actually scans the supposedly extra low frequency which is an anathema to HD.

I'm guessing you are still a victim of the NBN so you can't set up a virtual network and stream direct from the US? Putlocker not work for you?
 
Aren't you already getting HDtv through your house antenna. Yes

Does your TV have a tuner that actually scans the supposedly extra low frequency which is an anathema to HD. Don't know what it scans. What is the extra low frequency range ?

I'm guessing you are still a victim of the NBN so you can't set up a virtual network and stream direct from the US? Putlocker not work for you? With an 8Gb data limit on mobile wireless and no sign of upgraded phone lines I'm not streaming anything. I'm already pi$$ed off with the lack of good content on Foxtel, I only watch sports on it really.
 
SirRumpole said:
Aren't you already getting HDtv through your house antenna. Yes

Does your TV have a tuner that actually scans the supposedly extra low frequency which is an anathema to HD. Don't know what it scans. What is the extra low frequency range ?
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Basically all it is doing is picking up the free to air tv channels that might be available in close by cities, that you can't usually pick up because the signal is too weak, so it probably wouldn't be any use in australia, because we are to spread out.

It might help if you need a good antenna though.

I watch this full review, basically the guy said its a good antenna, but it doesn't give you any paid for content.



Pay $1000 a year for satellite Fox, when I could say give the money to charity or spend on other products like food. It's a problem which I will have to think deeply about.
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get the pay tv service, it will boost my dividends. :xyxthumbs
 
Value Collector said:
Basically all it is doing is picking up the free to air tv channels that might be available in close by cities, that you can't usually pick up because the signal is too weak, so it probably wouldn't be any use in australia, because we are to spread out.

It might help if you need a good antenna though.

I watch this full review, basically the guy said its a good antenna, but it doesn't give you any paid for content.





get the pay tv service, it will boost my dividends. :xyxthumbs
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I've had Foxtel for about 10 years, so your daily champagne and caviar is safe. :xyxthumbs
 
Value Collector said:
so it probably wouldn't be any use in australia, because we are to spread out.
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Plus even if someone in Melbourne did manage to receive a signal from Adelaide, Canberra or Tasmania then apart from the evening news the programs will be exactly the same anyway.

The mainland capitals all have 7, 9, 10 and their secondary channels whilst the various regional broadcasters just take a bulk feed from one of the majors and put their own ads and news in (most of which will be sourced from the affiliated major network anyway) plus maybe some local sports coverage.

So an antenna that picks up distant signals is really only of use is you can't presently receive the ABC, SBS, 7, 9 & 10 from a local source.
 
SirRumpole said:
Here is a review of it, but personal experience is better.

http://best-hd-antenna.com/tvfox-antenna-review-2017/
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I wouldn't rely on those reviews. They seem to be just an advert for the product and lack independence. Look at the description for that website at the bottom of that page: Best HD Antenna is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com.

Personally I would be interested in the product if it provided free to air with a quality as good as a proper outdoor antenna.
 
bellenuit said:
I wouldn't rely on those reviews. They seem to be just an advert for the product and lack independence. Look at the description for that website at the bottom of that page: Best HD Antenna is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com.

Personally I would be interested in the product if it provided free to air with a quality as good as a proper outdoor antenna.
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There's only one way to find out I suppose...
 
Tisme said:
I was doing that 14 years ago. It's a different feeling ... not one of charity, more like sharing a fortunate situation without fanfare ...... old school I guess.
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Would the ATO take a dim view of it, particularly if you are not reducing claimable expenses to match rent forgone vs market rent, or does that only apply to mates rates?
 
bellenuit said:
Would the ATO take a dim view of it, particularly if you are not reducing claimable expenses to match rent forgone vs market rent, or does that only apply to mates rates?
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I just paid/pay tax. I don't negatively gear if that is what you are getting at
 
Tisme said:
I just paid/pay tax. I don't negatively gear if that is what you are getting at
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No, that is not what I meant. If you have a rental property that should command a market rent of $12,000 pa and you rent it to a friend or family member for just $8,000 pa say, then if your total rental expenses come to $6,000 pa, the ATO will say that only $4,000 of your rental expenses are deductible. You are renting for 2/3rd it’s market value, so you can only claim 2/3rd of the rental expense. This is to ensure that not-at-arms-length tenants aren’t used to abuse the system.

I was just wondering if the same applied if you are doing it for charitable reasons especially when the tenant is not friend or family.
 
bellenuit said:
No, that is not what I meant. If you have a rental property that should command a market rent of $12,000 pa and you rent it to a friend or family member for just $8,000 pa say, then if your total rental expenses come to $6,000 pa, the ATO will say that only $4,000 of your rental expenses are deductible. You are renting for 2/3rd it’s market value, so you can only claim 2/3rd of the rental expense. This is to ensure that not-at-arms-length tenants aren’t used to abuse the system.

I was just wondering if the same applied if you are doing it for charitable reasons especially when the tenant is not friend or family.
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So in that case, investors who leave properties vacant and therefore collect no rent but still try and deduct interest expenses should not be allowed any deductions ?
 
SirRumpole said:
So in that case, investors who leave properties vacant and therefore collect no rent but still try and deduct interest expenses should not be allowed any deductions ?
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Yes, that's the law. They cannot claim rental expenses if the property is available for rent and they deliberately do not rent it. If for instance it is a holiday property that is periodically rented and periodically used by the owner, they can only claim that portion of rental expense attributable to the times it is rented (as a portion of the year). If not rented at all for the full year, then they cannot claim any rental expense.

However, in general, any expense or portion of expense not claimed against rental income because of the above, gets added to the cost base of the house and will reduce capital gain when the property is sold.
 
The defination of "market rate" for a property is flexible. Real Estate agents will attempt to convince owners they should extract the maximum dollar from tenanats. Many property owners (myself included) take a different perspective and decide that good tenants are worth keeping and don't accept the advice to maximise rental income. The difference can be anything between 5 and 15% but after one has been done over by poor tenants or poor agents quality and certainty usually win out.

The proposal to persuade some investors to drop $30 a week for "worthy" tenants sems feasible.
 
basilio said:
The defination of "market rate" for a property is flexible. Real Estate agents will attempt to convince owners they should extract the maximum dollar from tenanats. Many property owners (myself included) take a different perspective and decide that good tenants are worth keeping and don't accept the advice to maximise rental income. The difference can be anything between 5 and 15% but after one has been done over by poor tenants or poor agents quality and certainty usually win out.

The proposal to persuade some investors to drop $30 a week for "worthy" tenants sems feasible.
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I agree, it is flexible. And one could well argue that a 15% discount to the maximum attainable is still a market rate taking into account quality of tenants etc and would not fall foul of the ATO. But my question was purely inquisitive. I was simply wondering if a substantial discount to market rates for the purpose of providing a charitable community service would be viewed by the ATO in the same way they view mates rates, where the purpose of the latter is to provide assistance to a family member or friend at the expense of ATO revenue and is also open to abuse (the tenant and owner splitting the amount of tax saved between them).
 

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