The Conspiracy Theory thread

[mullokintyre]

Yes, it is a can of worms either way. But the hospital has to decide what is best for everyone, not just that one patient.

Let's suppose it was a highly infectious version of the flu and she was required to wear some sore of protective mask and take certain medicines to allay symptoms during het stay, but she refused to comply. It's the same situation. As a duty of care to everyone, the hospital may be obliged to refuse her admittance.

You can't simply make your own rules and insist the hospital treat you regardless. She had the option to get vaccinated and chose not to do it.I have a daughter who works as an OT in a mental health ward, plus a wife who is a pharmacist.

My wife and daughter work in allied and health.
I can tell you they both will attest to the ethical difficulties of forcing patients to take medication.
It just does not happen.
All those crazy SDA people who refuse blood transfusions, not only for themselves, but sometimes for their kids have created a truckload of ethical dilemmas.
But that is their right, and although I may disagree , and try to show the lack of logic in their decision, that is as far as I can go.
It is anathema to force people to have medical procedures of any kind at any time.
It is how society must work for the long term good.
Otherwise, the ethics just keep getting stretched .

Mick

 

[macca]

Yes, it is a can of worms either way. But the hospital has to decide what is best for everyone, not just that one patient.

Let's suppose it was a highly infectious version of the flu and she was required to wear some sore of protective mask and take certain medicines to allay symptoms during het stay, but she refused to comply. It's the same situation. As a duty of care to everyone, the hospital may be obliged to refuse her admittance.

You can't simply make your own rules and insist the hospital treat you regardless. She had the option to get vaccinated and chose not to do it.

I can walk into Woolies and by a test that will show if I have Covid, why not simply test her daily in the run up to the op and then one hour before the Op, if she is positive then no op.

I do agree that if she is Positive then definitely no op

Surely all the vaxed people are confident in there recommended protection, Not

 

[bellenuit]

Surely all the vaxed people are confident in there recommended protection, Not

Yes, correct. The vaxed people are well aware that the vaccines do not provide 100% protection, but they do know that statistically it provides better protection than no protection, at least based on the findings of governmental agencies. That is why I think it is a legal can of worms either way for hospitals. If someone else caught covid due to that patient, or even that patient caught covid when under the hospital's care, can the hospital be sued for not ensuring that the most statically safe option , demanding all patients be vaccinated, was not enforced.

And even though constant pre op testing goes some way to ensuring the maximum safety, false positives are not infrequent.

I agree that it is difficult to force people to take a vaccine or an injection of any sort, but they are not forcing them, to do that. They are refusing to treat them if the don't and that is not the same thing. Even if not having the treatment were to mean certain death, it still is not the same as forcing them to take the injection. The ultimate choice remains with the patient.

 

[moXJO]

She wasn't refused unconditionally. She did have the option to get vaccinated.

The hospital's duty of care extends beyond that of the immediate patient and also encompasses their staff and other patients. Were another patient or member of staff to get covid and have severe complications due to this patient being unvaccinated, even if there were no signs of this patient having covid on admittance, the hospital could face legal repercussions. If this patient were to get covid when under hospital care, even this patient might be able to sue the hospital. The best scientific knowledge, whether one agrees with it or not, is that an unvaccinated person is more likely to get infected with covid and, if infected, more likely to spread it. The hospital couldn't genuinely claim it took all necessary precautions, when they ignored this one obvious precaution which was to ensure all people admitted were vaccinated.

Ultimately this person made a decision that she knew would jeopardise her chances of receiving a necessary operation. The hospital is not at fault.

I basically agree with this.
However testing comes back in 24hours.
Or two weeks isolation.
Surely there was an alternative option rather than this stupidity.

Vaccines have become politicised to the point of idiocy.
If you are vaccinated and still worried about unvaccinated, then the system seems very shaky. And Vaccines are looking good for under a year at best.

We talk about fear mongering with qanon. Let's talk about the absolute craziness of locking everyone down over two years.
Forcing protocols with no scientific backing.
Stopping kids education.
Jabbing kids in a panic.
And the destruction of businesses throughout Australia.
NSW vs Vic showed little difference in results.

I'll try and find out more information.

 

[rederob]

We talk about fear mongering with qanon. Let's talk about the absolute craziness of locking everyone down over two years.

Lockdowns work if people abide by them.
Ask the folk in WA, SA, TAS, NT, ACT and Queensland.
If you did a good job, you got re-elected with McGowan a shining example.
Other things could have worked in conjunction with lockdowns to ease the severity, but we don't even enforce QR code scanning so it's always going to be a lottery as to how bad things could get.

That said, what's the conspiracy here?

 

[moXJO]

Just remembering that workers comp was mentioned. People could claim for compo for catching covid at work or something.
I think they were changing the law for nsw

 

[IFocus]

Meanwhile back at the ranch the farm house is on fire

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[moXJO]

Lockdowns work if people abide by them.
Ask the folk in WA, SA, TAS, NT, ACT and Queensland.
If you did a good job, you got re-elected with McGowan a shining example.
Other things could have worked in conjunction with lockdowns to ease the severity, but we don't even enforce QR code scanning so it's always going to be a lottery as to how bad things could get.

That said, what's the conspiracy here?

Yeah... locking people away from other humans works. Let's nail doors shut just to make sure next time.

Meanwhile back at the ranch the farm house is on fire

As America Falls Apart, Profits Soar​

As the country again prepares to go to war with itself, this time over a high-profile trial, a bigger story goes unnoticed​

As America Falls Apart, Profits Soar

As the country again prepares to go to war with itself, this time over a high-profile trial, a bigger story goes unnoticed

taibbi.substack.com

This trial has been totally misrepresented by both media and Twitter. Watching the trial compared to reading the articles or watching news is apples and oranges.

One of the guys that was shot admitted he was only shot because he raised his gun and aimed at kyle. Video evidence supported this. The only reason he told the truth is that he was under oath.
He then goes on TV and lies about what happened. Media has been supporting the lies. Shades of sandman kid that sued everyone.

It looks like self defence. Might be charged with something though.

 

[rederob]

Yeah... locking people away from other humans works. Let's nail doors shut just to make sure next time.

We regularly walked and chatted to our neighbours , had friends visit and went shopping for essentials.
As I said, the problem with lockdowns resulted from people not doing the right thing, and incremental restrictions being applied. Most Australians coped ok.

But where is the conspiracy?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I believe there is a conspiracy to turn the Conspiracy Theory Thread in to a conspiracy.

I was told this by a large lady on a Melbourne tram last week who said she was going to commit suicide unless she had an operation to remove a chip and some vinegar from her brain.

I believe she writes for The Guardian AND The Australian under the names Owen Onesie and Gerard Henn. She is a proud transvocal. I have no idea what the difference is between a transvocal who is proud and one who is not.

Please do not pass this information on, lest it become a conspiracy.

I arrived safely back in Townsville in a Mercedes of all vehicles inside a crate. Some fool knocked on the crate at one stage near Coolangatta according to my satnav but I was trading New Yawk and did not knock back.

I am now able to self isolate at the Hotel, which is quite easy for me as the drinks and meals are left outside my room anyways.

I repeat. Please do not pass this conspiracy on.

gg

 

[mullokintyre]

Had to go to the local hospital to get my annual blood test this morning.
The QR code on the door of the Path Unit scanned, but it came up and said that it was not a certified Victorian QR code.
So when I questioned the girl at the desk, she said that if I had read the instructions, it would have told me that because they had to accept unvaccinated people into the path Unit, they had to have their own special protocols.
She assured me that they were not discriminatory and that there were lots of people who had complex immuno specific conditions that prevented them from getting vaxed, so it wasn't just the anti vaxers.
So I filled out a form instead.
My blood is still blue.
Mick

 

[rederob]

gg

Sir Garpal
As you can see, I have deleted the content of your post, lest that conspiracy propagates.
I have also added a new algorithm to the chip we all got when vaccinated and sent this via the 5GG network such that the only people who can now read post #990 are anti vaxxers.
If anyone tells you different, they are most likely shoddy Swedish tricksters, and selling more fake news at ASF.

PS, I even managed to sell my brown shirt on Ebay after Trump won the 2020 election with a record number of votes. Go figure!

 

[moXJO]

But where is the conspiracy?

That Qanon was behind every antivaxxer in the country as pushed and labelled by media.

 

[rederob]

That Qanon was behind every antivaxxer in the country as pushed and labelled by media.

True, they were only behind most of the disinformation behind every antivaxxer.
Oh, that's the same thing.

Where's the conspiracy?

 

[moXJO]

True, they were only behind most of the disinformation behind every antivaxxer.
Oh, that's the same thing.

Where's the conspiracy?

Proof?
Seems like an assumption.

 

[basilio]

Tracking QAnon: how Trump turned conspiracy-theory research upside down​

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[wayneL]

TDS lives.

 

[rederob]

Proof?
Seems like an assumption.

Some people have legitimate reasons for refusing vaccinations, whether we think they are rational or not.
But Qanon actually spread conspiracy ideas (batshyt crazy stuff) all over the internet, so I don't know what makes my point an assumption.
Are you oblivious to Qanon's crap?

 

[moXJO]

Some people have legitimate reasons for refusing vaccinations, whether we think they are rational or not.
But Qanon actually spread conspiracy ideas (batshyt crazy stuff) all over the internet, so I don't know what makes my point an assumption.
Are you oblivious to Qanon's crap?

Aware of what's been posted. Fail to see that it's a driving force and rather a "conspiracy theory" dribbled by media clowns such as badham. I haven't seen many people chanting "stop the lizard people".

Are you oblivious to the effects of lockdowns on broader society?
Do you think people may just be angry because the government basically destroyed many businesses, education, mental health, rights, etc.

I have no doubt foreign actors have contributed. But Qanon was big a few years back. It is not the driving force of what's going on.

The only conspiracy is saying that Qanon loons are mainstream. People are just angry and dislike totalitarianism.

 

[wayneL]

Aware of what's been posted. Fail to see that it's a driving force and rather a "conspiracy theory" dribbled by media clowns such as badham. I haven't seen many people chanting "stop the lizard people".

Are you oblivious to the effects of lockdowns on broader society?
Do you think people may just be angry because the government basically destroyed many businesses, education, mental health, rights, etc.

I have no doubt foreign actors have contributed. But Qanon was big a few years back. It is not the driving force of what's going on.

The only conspiracy is saying that Qanon loons are mainstream. People are just angry and dislike totalitarianism.

Of all the social media platforms I'm on, I've only ever seen Qanon mentioned here on ASF by our resident leftists, and the likes of CNN and MSNBC.

Does that say something that just may be the opposite of the narrative?