The Conspiracy Theory thread

[sptrawler]

Sounds like an attention seeker to me.

But if they have identified them as aliens, why are they still calling them "UFOs".

You're just worried, there may have been life on Mars, before Elon Musk gets there.

 

[Value Collector]

Because the other explanations (like time travellers) are equally if not more fanciful.



It's doubtful if military aircraft are scrambled to chase ghosts and angels. Anyway I'm prepared to bet that you haven't read many ufo cases and you are just arguing off the top of your head, so I suggest you do a bit of research before scoffing too much.

You are wrong there, I would love the idea aliens visiting earth, I think the universe probably has pockets of life all over the place, and I hope that before I die we can find evidence of it, I just don't think any have visited earth.

All through my teenage years and some of my early 20's I believed aliens had visited earth, but the more I learned and read the more I relised I didn't have any good reason to believe it had actually happened, and it probably can't happen, the vastness of distance and time is just to great.

But I have no agenda to deny aliens visited earth, I would love it if it were true, but I see no reason to believe, if there was good evidence I would believe.

But I am happy to look at your best evidence for it.

 

[Value Collector]

You're just worried, there may have been life on Mars, before Elon Musk gets there.

I would love to find life on mars, it would be interesting to test its DNA see whether it is related to us or whether it's a completely different form of evolution.

Hopefully we haven't contaminated the planet already with the probes we have been sending there, if we do find life there it may have been us that put it there, but DNA testing could help rule that out.

 

[sptrawler]

I would love to find life on mars, it would be interesting to test its DNA see whether it is related to us or whether it's a completely different form of evolution.

Hopefully we haven't contaminated the planet already with the probes we have been sending there, if we do find life there it may have been us that put it there, but DNA testing could help rule that out.

The probe I copped, the other week, is definitely contaminated.

 

[tech/a]

Don’t know if it’s a good idea to think that all aliens would be
——-nice.

If you were a cow/sheep/pig/chicken humans look like mass murderers.

If a superior race liked the taste of human——and completely dominated us.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[SirRumpole]

Don’t know if it’s a good idea to think that all aliens would be
——-nice.

If you were a cow/sheep/pig/chicken humans look like mass murderers.

If a superior race liked the taste of human——and completely dominated us.

Be careful what you wish for.

True, but I guess that if they have found a way to travel interstellar distances then they would have found a way to satisfy their bodily needs.

Earth is a long way to come for takeaway humans.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Any non Earth life form would not be playing a - now you see me, now you don't game. It is a monumental step moving from 'looked like' to 'fact'.

 

[Value Collector]

Don’t know if it’s a good idea to think that all aliens would be
——-nice.

If you were a cow/sheep/pig/chicken humans look like mass murderers.

If a superior race liked the taste of human——and completely dominated us.

Be careful what you wish for.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, we are likely to be separated from any other intelligent life out there by such a vast amount of space and time that we will probably never meet them in person, even having a conversation with them through transmissions would be impossible, given that radio transmissions would take multiple human lives to travel the distance.

we are listening but any message we receive will be from aliens that broadcast it 100's or 1000's of years ago, and our messages that we are sending now won't be heard for 100's or 1000's of years after we are gone.

Not to mention that the vastness of time means we may miss any alien civilisation that evolves in our galaxy by millions of years, human civilisation have existed for less than a million years, but alien civilisation may have come and gone in the several billion years before we came, or will evolve in the billions of years that exist after we go exinct.

Its hard to imagine an alien race would evolve, near enough in distance and time for us to meet or talk.

 

[SirRumpole]

Its hard to imagine an alien race would evolve, near enough in distance and time for us to meet or talk.

On the other hand there could be aliens so advanced they they would consider talking with us not worth their while, and may have evolved communication protocols so advanced that we simply don't recognise them. We don't try and communicate with ants, so why should advanced aliens bother with us ?

 

[tech/a]

I've actually had quite lengthy chats with the geeks on this fascinating topic.

Its interesting to know what science actually does know.
Evidently the Galaxy is expanding quicker than we can ever discover for
the same reason you point out--the speed of light--as at this time that's the fastest we can
do anything.
So if light speed is 300000K a second and it takes 1000000 years for the light to reach us then the object emitting it
is either not there (Destroyed) or 1000000 years X 300000Km/Second further away.
So where is the outer limit. So far they haven't found one. In theory there isn't one.

There are More Galaxy's than there are grains of sand on every beach in the world.
So planets are way more.
Space can be bent and this is probably how we will be able to beat the speed of light.
Humans are not built for space exploration.

The universe will end as it expands to nothingness current theory is it wont implode.
Eventually there will be no stars in the sky as everything will be so far away you couldn't
see them---we wont be here to look!

So while there is very likely many many forms of existence the chances of us meeting
those beyond our own solar system (Bacteria and Microbes) is possible and may have happened.

We know of Dinosaurs without a meteor they would still be here and we would not be.
Fascinating.

Is there consciousness after death?

 

[notting]

Imagine FOX news interviewing a guy who sais, 'if motivated by his agenda, then the product is going to suffer'' and pointing that at Musk.
FOX News is the most disingenuous lying machine since the Chinese Communist Party.
Fuel companies have been destroying the earth and having everyone paying to much for fuel and power for decades due to FOX news and political donations from Fuel companies - peddling their profiteering agenda.
One of my favorite historical interviews-

 

[SirRumpole]

Any non Earth life form would not be playing a - now you see me, now you don't game. It is a monumental step moving from 'looked like' to 'fact'.

Yep, invisibility would be no problem for them.

 

[bellenuit]

Imagine FOX news interviewing a guy who sais, 'if motivated by his agenda, then the product is going to suffer'' and pointing that at Musk.
FOX News is the most disingenuous lying machine since the Chinese Communist Party.
Fuel companies have been destroying the earth and having everyone paying to much for fuel and power for decades due to FOX news and political donations from Fuel companies - peddling their profiteering agenda.
One of my favorite historical interviews-

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That quote is a hoax (even though the sentiments are true)

 

[Value Collector]

Evidently the Galaxy is expanding quicker than we can ever discover

I think you mean Universe, the Universe is expanding, but the galaxies aren't expanding.

below is our galaxy, the Milky Way, its about 100,000 lights years across.

But below is the known universe made up of billions of galaxies, each dot is a galaxy or cluster of galaxies.

this shot from the hubble telescope shows a portion of the sky about as big as if you held a 5 cent coin at arms length, its shows hundreds of galaxies around us.

 

[Value Collector]

and this is the view of our milky way galaxy from the inside looking out.

if its dark enough or you have a camera take a long exposure, you can see the shape of our galaxy, its like looking out from inside a disc. and depending on where on earth you are looking at it, you will see it on a different angle.

 

[SirRumpole]

 

[Value Collector]

Eventually there will be no stars in the sky as everything will be so far away you couldn't
see them---we wont be here to look!

We will still be able to see all the stars in our galaxy forever (which is all you can see with the naked eye anyway)

Its only the other galaxies that are moving away from our galaxy as space expands.

All the stars in our galaxy are locked together by gravity coming from the black hole at the centre of the galaxy, Our star (the sun) and all the other stars in our galaxy are orbiting the centre point of our galaxy, which is a black hole.

So eventually in billions of years, any intelligent life might think that our galaxy is the limit of the universe, becasue all the other galaxies have moves so far away

 

[tech/a]

Not according to the Geeks.

In the time it takes for the Galaxies to expand so far away that they cant be seen by each other
then all stars that supply heat light etc to planets in galaxies will have burnt out of fuel.
The entire universe will be cold black and totally lifeless. No one will be looking
at anyone and pondering anything.

So where is all this expansion going?

 

[SirRumpole]

So where is all this expansion going?

Space itself is expanding, like a balloon inflating.

 

[tech/a]

Expanding into WHERE?