The Biden Presidency

[wayneL]

There is a lot of energy going into criticise the Trump administration. Some justified some not so much.

For us Aussies that are not invested in the result (woulda thunk it, based on a visceral arguments here?) it might be interesting to analyse what happens if Trump loses and Biden becomes president.

I'll kick it off and say that what you see is not what you get. If Americans vote for Biden ws president they will not actually get Biden as president... Sometime in 2021 Americans will actually get the vice president as president.

It is a matter of speculation at the moment but the oil that I am getting is that it is probably going to be Kamala Harris.

Another aspect of a democratic win his what shall become of economic theory. There is a view that first order of business will be MMT and UBI.

Fantastic! Can somebody let me know how to get off this express train to Hell?

 

[SirRumpole]

Don't know wayne. After being sure that Trump would never beat Hilary I'm not going to make any predictions about this mixed up country any more.

I wish them all the best, I think they are a great people who deserve a great President, but the choice is up to them.

 

[Knobby22]

I think the first order will be to calm everyone down and take a chill pill and develop a decent strategy re: China, the debt etc. Whether Biden will be much of a President is unknown but I do think he will be a calming influence.

 

[wayneL]

I think the first order will be to calm everyone down and take a chill pill and develop a decent strategy re: China, the debt etc. Whether Biden will be much of a President is unknown but I do think he will be a calming influence.

Sorry I find that absolutely hilarious.

This is a man who asked a factory worker outside for a punch up because he was asking questions.

As much as the left finds Trump objectionable, so too will the centre, centre right, and right find, Biden and his allies in the extreme left absolutely unconscionable.

There will be no calming in America anytime soon.

 

[Knobby22]

We shall see. I think you represent the fringe.
And lets face it you will be much happier attacking the Dems and arguing Deep State than defending the Trump Presidency.

 

[wayneL]

Fringe....

LMAO

 

[wayneL]

We shall see. I think you represent the fringe.
And lets face it you will be much happier attacking the Dems and arguing Deep State than defending the Trump Presidency.

Now that I have gotten over my laughing fit, let's analyse your comments a little bit further.

You claim that I am on the fringe. There are a number of quantitative and qualitative evaluations implicit in such an evaluation.

Such an accusation implies, Sans any qualitative and/or quantitative data, some deviation from some mean opinion.

So I ask you, what is the mean in the context of such accusation? Additionally, how many standard deviations away from the mean qualifies as fringe? I would like your data on both sides of the equation.

Having quantified how many standard deviations away from the mean you consider to be fringe, which opinions are one standard deviation from the mean (on both sides) and which opinions are 2 standard deviations away from the mean?

If you're feeling really energetic which opinions do you consider to be 3 standard deviations away from the mean, IOW about 1% ( which would basically fulfill my definition of fringe).

Don't forget I would like your evaluations on both sides of this bell curve.

If you can't answer my request regarding this you should stfu and go and firmly stick your arguments of "fringe" where the sun doesn't shine and admit to being a pathetic troll.

@SirRumpole , seeing you have liked this idiotic post, like a good little leftist tribalist, I would also be interested in your evaluations here.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Now that I have gotten over my laughing fit, let's analyse your comments a little bit further.

You claim that I am on the fringe. There are a number of quantitative and qualitative evaluations implicit in such an evaluation.

Such an accusation implies, Sans any qualitative and/or quantitative data, some deviation from some mean opinion.

So I ask you, what is the mean in the context of such accusation? Additionally, how many standard deviations away from the mean qualifies as fringe? I would like your data on both sides of the equation.

Having quantified how many standard deviations away from the mean you consider to be fringe, which opinions are one standard deviation from the mean (on both sides) and which opinions are 2 standard deviations away from the mean?

If you're feeling really energetic which opinions do you consider to be 3 standard deviations away from the mean, IOW about 1% ( which would basically fulfill my definition of fringe).

Don't forget I would like your evaluations on both sides of this bell curve.

If you can't answer my request regarding this you should stfu and go and firmly stick your arguments of "fringe" where the sun doesn't shine and admit to being a pathetic troll.

@SirRumpole , seeing you have liked this idiotic post, like a good little leftist tribalist, I would also be interested in your evaluations here.

Just to interject and support your Centrist viewpoint @wayneL .

I believe Condi Rice would be a better VPOTUS than Kamala Harris and I believe she may get the nod.

As long as Biden stays in his cellar, keeps a low profile and refuses to debate, the Tangerine Clown will blow his chances up.

I speak as one who won a considerable wager on predicting a Trump win in 2016.

Biden may still lose and I have DM'ed him of my thoughts. The troublesome thing is that Trump fights dirty and doesn't care if he wins or loses. From my schooldays these were the most dangerous people to fight.

Biden, I agree is losing the fight against the ageing brain, thus my advice to him to lie low and win. Should he pop up he may make a misstep as the Americans call it or as we would say "balls it all up".

gg

 

[SirRumpole]

@SirRumpole , seeing you have liked this idiotic post, like a good little leftist tribalist, I would also be interested in your evaluations here.

I not really interested in what goes on in the USA. You may have rellies there , I don't. For what it's worth I think Trump will lose, but what do I know, I don't think I've picked an election yet.

I think Knobby is right, you concentrate on the extremes and ignore middle America. The squeaky wheel of the demonstrators gets the most attention. I think that perhaps it's time for the silent majority to rise up again. Whether its the same majority that got Trump in , or the centralists that think they made a mistake last time, we will have to wait and see.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

If I had to put myself on the political spectrum this is where I think I am at:

 

[wayneL]

I not really interested in what goes on in the USA. You may have rellies there , I don't. For what it's worth I think Trump will lose, but what do I know, I don't think I've picked an election yet.

I think Knobby is right, you concentrate on the extremes and ignore middle America. The squeaky wheel of the demonstrators gets the most attention. I think that perhaps it's time for the silent majority to rise up again. Whether its the same majority that got Trump in , or the centralists that think they made a mistake last time, we will have to wait and see.

I ask you once again to quantify what you think the extremes are? read my post again and come back with something.

For what it's worth I also think Trump is going to really struggle... agree with @Garpal Gumnut on all fronts there. To be honest I would prefer someone like Rand Paul.... Or from the other side Tulsi Gabbard... And that is about as an extreme an opinion you will ever find from me.

My interest will be piqued come the debates. That is when the rubber will meet the road in my opinion.

 

[wayneL]

If I had to put myself on the political spectrum this is where I think I am at:
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When I do those questionaires I come out pretty much about the same on the libertarian/authoritarian scale as you, but a bit closer to the centre on the economic scale.

Therefore I am a fringe extremist... apparently

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

When I do those questionaires I come out pretty much about the same on the libertarian/authoritarian scale as you, but a bit closer to the centre on the economic scale.

Therefore I am a fringe extremist... apparently

These Lefties gang up on people with a mob mentality; if you don't agree with their nonsensical views that Earth will turn into Venus in a few decades, or that the White House should be painted a different colour because it is symbolic of racism.

 

[SirRumpole]

I ask you once again to quantify what you think the extremes are? read my post again and come back with something.

For what it's worth I also think Trump is going to really struggle... agree with @Garpal Gumnut on all fronts there. To be honest I would prefer someone like Rand Paul.... Or from the other side Tulsi Gabbard... And that is about as an extreme an opinion you will ever find from me.

My interest will be piqued come the debates. That is when the rubber will meet the road in my opinion.

Apparently Knobby said you "represent" the fringe. I don't think you do, but you seem to think that groups like BLM, antifa or the people that go to Trump rallies represent the majority, they are not they are the fringes. We rarely hear from the silent majority until the election. Even the polls are cr@p these days.

 

[macca]

I expect Hilary to be his running mate and then President within 12 months if they win.

I wonder if they are betting on it somewhere, I am confident about the Dems doing this but then again Trump may win

The blue collar workers like him because he will stand up to China and will bring manufacturing jobs back to the USA

 

[MovingAverage]

The bookies have Biden at 1.75 and Trump at 2.65. Gotta admit I like the long odds on Trump and have stumped up some hard earned readies on Trumpy boy. Don’t let me down Donny—now get out there and galvanise middle America

 

[wayneL]

Apparently Knobby said you "represent" the fringe. I don't think you do, but you seem to think that groups like BLM, antifa or the people that go to Trump rallies represent the majority, they are not they are the fringes. We rarely hear from the silent majority until the election. Even the polls are cr@p these days.

Huh?

Never have I represented that those people represent the majority... Never.

However I do think that there is a swaithe of people who do support the positions of these people. Antifa for instance does enjoy a fair bit of support from the mainstream media, that is obvious and undeniable.

I also see, as I have reported from my American colleagues, that there is a fair bit of support for Trump, even if they don't go to the rallies.

There is a sliding scale here, is there not? It is in no way a binary argument

That is why I ask, once again, for the mean and the standard deviations... and how many standard deviations represent the fringe.... A fair representation of what you think the bell curve is.

Otherwise you people are just indulging in name calling.

 

[SirRumpole]

"You people" ?

Who do you think you are ?

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

The bookies have Biden at 1.75 and Trump at 2.65. Gotta admit I like the long odds on Trump and have stumped up some hard earned readies on Trumpy boy. Don’t let me down Donny—now get out there and galvanise middle America

Trump needs to hold onto Florida and the majority of the Rust Belt; I will post my preliminary electoral map next week.

 

[MovingAverage]

Trump needs to hold onto Florida and the majority of the Rust Belt; I will post my preliminary electoral map next week.

I stand to be corrected, but Florida was very close for him last time