Which goes to show how much you know or understand. But that is your problem, not mine
Why bother? I mean seriously. If you don't like it, don't read it, you don't HAVE to do anything.....so don't even open the thread with the word "religion" in it. Create your own thread with your own beliefs. Simple.
Why not just let MS have his thread for those that are interested. It's really not that hard I wouldn't have thought.
Originally posted by MS Tradeism
Thomas Barnardo, while somewhat sectarian, was nevertheless commited to the welfare of children, especially the homeless and poor. The modern Barnardo's organisations are more holistic but the influence of the founder is there.
Meet A Few Rich Atheists!
“...the God in whose hand THY BREATH IS, and whose are all thy ways, HAST THOU NOT GLORIFIED” (Daniel 5:23).
Bill Gates
Frost: Do you believe in the Sermon on the Mount?
Gates: I don't. I'm not somebody who goes to church on a regular basis. The specific elements of Christianity are not something I'm a huge believer in. There's a lot of merit in the moral aspects of religion. I think it can have a very, very positive impact.
Frost: I sometimes say to people, do you believe there is a god, or do you know there is a god? And, you'd say you don't know?
Gates: In terms of doing things I take a fairly scientific approach to why things happen and how they happen. I don't know if there's a god or not, but I think religious principles are quite valid.
Gates was profiled by Walter Isaacson in a January 13, 1996
Isaacson: Isn't there something special, perhaps even divine, about the human soul?
Gates: I don't have any evidence on that.
Gates: Just in terms of allocation of time resources, religion is not very efficient. There's a lot more I could be doing on a Sunday morning.
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George Soros
The multi-billionaire, financier and philanthropist was profiled on the newsmagazine 60 Minutes, broadcast December 20, 1998.
Steve Kroft: Are you a religious man?
Soros: No
Kroft: Do you believe in God?
Soros: No
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Warren Buffett
The multi-billionaire, financier, atheist and business man. The following is taken from--Buffett: The Making of an American Capitalist, by Roger Lowenstein (Doubleday, 1995), page 13...
"He did not subscribe to his family's religion. Even at a young age he was too mathematical, too logical, to make the leap of faith.”
“He adopted his father's ethical underpinnings, but not his belief in an unseen divinity.”
Source: www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/meet_a_few_atheists.htm
Your kidding aren't you, i followed the thread to the letter, i gave examples ,and yes i" do know and understand", thanks for pointing that out, and yet you chastise me for opening a thread and making a comment, who made you the "ASF Nazi"
Yes you're right. You have contributed well to this thread.
For some weird reason I thought your post was full of sarcasm, and it definitely wasn't vilifying religion.
How silly of me, my apologies.
End of discussion, keep it up MS. Back on topic.
Sorry, not to me they don't.TThus, even immoral and repugnantly behaving people still have as much value as a saint.
Why would you value some immoral and badly behaved person as much as a saint ?
its hard to see beauty in religion. i see it in humanity. beautiful acts of kindness inspired by men and women, with a religion taking the credit....
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Well then, we may as well change the name of the "Religion gone crazy" thread to "Humanity gone crazy", because it is humans that have gone crazy and religion is getting the blame for it...
Mohandas (Mahatma) Ghandi, was a political and spiritual activist who lived out his beliefs in non-violent resistance during India's struggle for independence. He was an influence on Martin Luther King Jr.
Quote: Originally Posted by Julia:
'Why would you value some immoral and badly behaved person as much as a saint ?
Quote: Originally Posted by MS Tradeism:
'Because no-one is so hopelessly lost in depravity that they cannot still discover and fulfill their potential. Each person has inherent dignity and value, not just the ones who behave as we would like others to behave.'
Originally posted by Julia
In the interest of supporting the theme of this thread I've been trying to think of something positive or beautiful to do with religion.
Can't say it's been easy but I do have a friend who is devoutly religious.
Somehow we've managed to remain friends over many years, probably because we agree not to discuss religion.
Every Christmas she looks around her neighbourhood, workplace etc for anyone who might not have someone with whom to spend Christmas Day and invites these people to join her and her family. There are often a quite motley collection of people but she makes them all feel welcome and wanted.
So I reckon that's a plus for religion.
Yes, Col, she's simply a kind and thoughtful person. But no, she can't look after these people every day of their lives. She's a working psychologist with other responsibilities within her own family.Couldn't agree more Julia, but I can't help but feel sorry for that 'Motley Collection' for the other 364 days of the year!
Please tell me your religious friends generosity extends beyond one day a year.
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