JohnDe
La dolce vita
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Not really organised labour was in its infancy, note how long the Australian Labor party has been around easily the most stable and reliable political movement ever in the history of Australia that's always acted for the betterment of middle to lower classes of Australians (the vast majority).
"The ALP was not founded as a federal party until after the first sitting of the Australian parliament in 1901. It is regarded as descended from labour parties founded in the various Australian colonies by the emerging labour movement in Australia, formally beginning in 1891. Colonial labour parties contested seats from 1891, and federal seats following Federation at the 1901 federal election. The ALP formed the world's first labour party government and the world's first democratic socialist or social democratic government at a national level.[6] At the 1910 federal election, Labor was the first party in Australia to win a majority in either house of the Australian parliament. In every election since 1910 Labor has either served as the governing party or the opposition. There have been 13 Labor prime ministers and 10 periods of federal Labor governments.
The Labor party is often called the party of unions due to its close ties to the labour movement in Australia, with the majority of trade unions being affiliated with the Labor party. The party is equally controlled by unions and rank-and-file party members through affiliated unions being granted 50% of delegates at each state and national conference.[7]
At the federal and state/colony level, the Australian Labor Party predates both the British Labour Party and the New Zealand Labour Party in party formation, government, and policy implementation.[8] Internationally, the ALP is a member of the Progressive Alliance, a network of progressive and social democratic parties,[9] having previously been a member of the Socialist International."
It seems to be a ratchet that only goes in one direction, hence why there's now such resistance to even the slightest change on anything.I doubt if you can blame this all on "progressives". Yes, Hawke and Keating cut tariffs but the others didn't put them back again.
The Voice was voted down not because Australians don't like Aboriginal people but simply because of the fear it'd end up as another uncontrollable monster.
No, given the disaster that was ATSIC, I think @Smurf1976 is basically correct. Electing the representatives from 250 tribes would have been a nightmare, and then each tribe would be fighting for their own tribe and nothing would get done. It would have ended up a quagmire.The fear was a successful negative campaign planted buy the No proponent's, any government of the day had total control or at least the parliament of the day would have as it should.
The question is what allowed the falsehoods that were perpetrated to stand?
The fear was a successful negative campaign planted buy the No proponent's, any government of the day had total control or at least the parliament of the day would have as it should.
The question is what allowed the falsehoods that were perpetrated to stand?
And it was never demonstrated how the change in the constitution would actually help the people that needed help rather than the elites in the Aboriginal industry. All that would have been achieved is a two tier racial structure to be rorted by those with the education to do so, just like ATSIC and all the other structures previously.No, just a poorly written proposal to change the constitution, which is a sacred document that has served us well.
In my case the reasoning wasn't about the campaigning by either side.The fear was a successful negative campaign planted buy the No proponent's, any government of the day had total control or at least the parliament of the day would have as it should.
Hence the popularity of someone like Trump (sorry for the thread drift), but our two countries are pretty similar in that regard.Because this stuff has been ignored for decades to the detriment of mainstream society. Look at what we had and compare that to today - someone starting out at age 18 today is effectively stuffed in comparison to their own parents or grandparents, doubly so if they're male.
It's more that I'm fed up with governments, of both persuasions, coming up with constant distractions to avoid focusing on the wellbeing of the mainstream working and middle class.
If the Coalition did it, the country would be out on strike.It may have escaped your attention that the CFMEU is in the process of being wound up by the Albanese government.
Why didn't the Coalition do this in their nine years in power?
If the Coalition did it, the country would be out on strike.
I wonder what can be said about the quality of the constructions if contracts were granted on the basis of bribes rather than competence?Having said that looks like the CFMEU got infected by heavies still their members are doing alright money and conditions wise unlike a lot of subbies and contractors..
If the Coalition did it, the country would be out on strike.
I wonder what can be said about the quality of the constructions if contracts were granted on the basis of bribes rather than competence?
Read somewhere construction where unions were involved were better quality but more expensive.
Yeh, I've been around the traps long enough and personally seen enough, to know how it works.Nah they set-up Royal Commissions etc found a couple of corrupt organisers but overall very little everyone knows the big money is the other side builders / developers / councillors / state politicians etc.
Having said that looks like the CFMEU got infected by heavies still their members are doing alright money and conditions wise unlike a lot of subbies and contractors..
This one's complex and it's a discussion I've actually had with a few younger people in recent times.Are they really?
They are by far better off than my parents and in a general sense better off than me in my 30's / 40's.
Just a few things I never had after marriage, paid TV, mobile phones, new car or 4 wheel drives, caravans or campers, rarely ate out, never bought a coffee or take away, no computer, no day care, no government support, no solar to reduce power bills, never bought lunch for work, never drank much alcohol, both my wife and I never had the means or opportunity to go to Uni etc.
Work was remote and very hard until mortgage paid, when working in Perth phone rang 24hrs a day 7 days a week, had a hail damaged car for work, I started work at 5.30 and hoped to get out by sun down never had a lunch break, smoko SFA.
My kids today have all of the about while living pretty good lives, all of the younger surfers in my area are all doing very well along with those with young families.
Edit: one thing I do see is lack of employment security.
And $53k from memory for a basic trades job that took less than a day, almost all that payment being for labour not materials.I heard that the Royal Adelaide Hospital building had major issues, incorrect room sizes, over budget and over time, and a death on the work site.
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