Knobby22
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Mr. Shorten has become Mr. NO...NO...NO
Yes, spot on. Well its all history now.
Only Toyota left.
There was also another announcement released at the same time as the Holden one so we all wouldn't notice.
"Hockey allows China control of coal assets."
http://www.theage.com.au/business/yanzhou-free-to-take-control-of-coal-assets-20131211-2z6eq.html
So we have MT admitting the Govt will break it's pledge to have all households with a minimum 25Mbs Broadband connection by 2016.
I remember this Gem from Tony
“I want our NBN rolled out within three years and Malcolm Turnbull is the right person to make this happen.” - A letter to Australians, 7 September, 2013
or this Gem
http://www.sciencemedia.com.au/downloads/2013-8-13-5.pdf
QUESTION:
So, all your promises that you're announcing during this election campaign, they will be implemented in full,
That is a rock solid commitment?
TONY ABBOTT:
I will do what I say we will do. I want to be known as someone who under-promises and over-delivers.
QUESTION:
The condition of the Budget will not be an excuse for breaking promises?
TONY ABBOTT:
Exactly right. We will make - we will keep the commitments that we make. All of the commitments that we
make will be commitments that are carefully costed and the savings to fund them will all be well-known
well before people go to the polls on Saturday, September the 7th
Tis going to make any senate election in WA very very interesting
Its been quite am extraordinary start by this minority Liberal / Greens government
Abbott has burnt political capital and hard cash on nothing issues like there is no tomorrow.
As everyone here knows I think little of Abbott and his lying deceitful false wrecker behaviour but I didn't expect him to reach such lows so early it really has been quite extraordinary.
The continued sniping at Labor rather than governing is just killing them.
Certainly puts the likely hood of a double dissolution similar to a snow balls chance in hell.
Still gives the cartoonists plenty of material the one the other day about the gay marriage couple having a longer honey moon than Abbott was a classic.
Three more years a trillion or two in debt and there will be nothing left what a mess.
IF
What was the labor governments biggest success/achievement in your eyes. I'm struggling to think of anything that was delivered on time and within budget that will or has benefitted Australia.
It will take time to clean up Labor's mess.
IF
What was the labor governments biggest success/achievement in your eyes. I'm struggling to think of anything that was delivered on time and within budget that will or has benefitted Australia.
It will take time to clean up Labor's mess.
Stopping a technical recession and the associated rise in unemployment and pretty much rescuing the SME sector from massive bankruptcy.
The debt we have now is smaller than the debt we'd have if we'd followed the rest of the world into recession, which would have happened due to the negative feedback loop of rising unemployment, falling house prices, business bankruptcies and banks probably needing a bailout with large losses in their commercial property loans and probably a souring of their low doc and high LVR loans - 105% loans were starting to take off.
IF only Labor had been as high taxing as Howard we wouldn't have any deficit
Stopping a technical recession and the associated rise in unemployment and pretty much rescuing the SME sector from massive bankruptcy.
The debt we have now is smaller than the debt we'd have if we'd followed the rest of the world into recession, which would have happened due to the negative feedback loop of rising unemployment, falling house prices, business bankruptcies and banks probably needing a bailout with large losses in their commercial property loans and probably a souring of their low doc and high LVR loans - 105% loans were starting to take off.
IF only Labor had been as high taxing as Howard we wouldn't have any deficit
Jeez that is the funniest post you have ever thrown up Syd, I'm impressed.
Everyone has admitted the massive mining construction spend, saved the day. Now they are admitting the post construction boom is causing a massive contraction.
No, Syd says, the batts fiasco, the school canteen fiasco, the send a cheque fiasco saved us.lol,lol
Funny you were pretty critical of the housing stimulus, now it is convenient to rejoyce it.lol
"The debt we have now is less than we would have had if we had followed the rest of the world into recession"
We were saved, because we didn't have the exposure to U.S toxic CDO's, are you trying to re write history?
You pin our theory on rising unemployment, can't you remember, we were having massive shortfalls of labour and 457's had to be increasede to meet labour demand.
You should write for Fairfax, or Walt Disney.
Jeez that is the funniest post you have ever thrown up Syd, I'm impressed.
Everyone has admitted the massive mining construction spend, saved the day. Now they are admitting the post construction boom is causing a massive contraction.
No, Syd says, the batts fiasco, the school canteen fiasco, the send a cheque fiasco saved us.lol,lol
Funny you were pretty critical of the housing stimulus, now it is convenient to rejoyce it.lol
"The debt we have now is less than we would have had if we had followed the rest of the world into recession"
We were saved, because we didn't have the exposure to U.S toxic CDO's, are you trying to re write history?
You pin our theory on rising unemployment, can't you remember, we were having massive shortfalls of labour and 457's had to be increasede to meet labour demand.
You should write for Fairfax, or Walt Disney.
Really. The mining sector were laying of staff at the fastest rate of any sector of the economy.
http://www.treasury.gov.au/PublicationsAndMedia/Publications/2011/Economic-Roundup-Issue-2
In the first six months of 2009, in the immediate aftermath of the shock waves occasioned by the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the Australian mining industry shed 15.2 per cent of its employees. Had every industry in Australia behaved in the same way, our unemployment rate would have increased from 4.6 per cent to 19 per cent in six months. Mining investment collapsed; mining output collapsed. So the Australian mining industry had quite a deep recession while the Australian economy did not have a recession.” (Page E17.)
I have always been critical of FHB grants because all they do is increase demand without any increase in supply causing house prices to be bid up. They don't help housing affordability. Better to direct the funds to the construction of affordable housing, or use it to encourage councils to allow the construction of properties where people want to live.
During the GFC we had 1 qtr of negative growth and barely got a positive result the next qtr, which at least meant newspapers weren't writing article after article about the recession and all the doom and gloom that will follow.
Do you think the demand for labor in the mining industry would have compensated for a recession in the retail and banking sectors? Job losses at the banks was massive during the GFC, and that was with them all still making profits. Imagine NAB UK style bad debts on the Aussie loan books of the major banks. It would have crippled lending for years in the country.
We haven't had a few hundred thousand people lose their jobs and see their skills waste away and later find themselves with a permanently reduced income.
I have my roof bats, a perfectly Coalition acceptable beige mind you, and they've helped cut my energy bills by a significant margin. I'm going to get year after year of energy efficiency savings. Seems a pretty good outcome. Definitely could have been handled better, but it achieved getting the money out into the community pretty fast and at least was better spending than Howard era baby bonuses and assorted middle class welfare.
The schools building funds helped to keep thousands of small business afloat. Yeah we didn't the best price for the construction, but the 10-15% extra that was spent would have been cheaper than the unemployment benefits that would have been paid out if mass redundancies had ensured in the SME sector of the construction industry. It's what kept a lot of those companies going. Shame the owners couldn't have been a bit more civically minded.
Based on the past 100 days of the current Govt, I don't think we'd have gotten through the GFC any better. I mean, Christopher Pyne swears blind they'd have run budget surpluses through the GFC, yet once in Govt it's all about loading up more debt this year to blame Labor, then try to produce a slightly better deficit outcome by paying more super to the wealthiest people in the country and cutting it for all the low income earners. Where is the equity in that?
Surely Syd they can't be that dumb. It worries me that Andrew Robb is the minister though.
We did, under Howard, sign the free trade treaty which cost us heaps, so we are pretty dumb.
The mob in power have form on doing deals to get pictures with the great and powerful that do the rest of us little benefit. The US FTA was so biased against Australia it's not funny.
Just waiting for Abbott and Co to sell us out to the Chinese and the TPPA.
Would that be after Labor relaxed foreign ownership rules.
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2013/08/rudd-hypocrisy-on-foreign-owned-land/
This banter can go on and on.
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