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Where are Rudd and Gillard now ?
 
SirRumpole said:
I think it's more relevant WHY they change their opinion.

MT has given no reason why he changed his mind on an ETS apart from that his party told him to. So he either looks like a hypocrite or a figurehead politician instead of a real leader.
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I think if the public decide Turnbull is in effect Abbott lite then his sky high popularity will wane rather quickly.

lets hope bernadi and his ilk of the loon pond decide to leave the Liberals and form their own tea party. Then there's be a decent chance for Tunrbull to actually bring in some decent centrist policy.

Just look at how Abbott forced the Govt to vote against changes that benefited small business. Amazingly it was the greens that came up with a decent policy compromise and the Govt has voted it down.

Will be interesting to see what Turnbull does, as Labor and the Greens could wedge the Govt on this with a constituency that is supposedly the natural voting block for the Liberals.
 
sydboy007 said:
lets hope bernadi and his ilk of the loon pond decide to leave the Liberals and form their own tea party. .
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You talk like Malcolm has rested the Party away from the Castle Catholics.... it is still run by them, albeit less Santamarian (perhaps; we'll see if the pursuit of the communism through unions ceases).

London to a brick, Abbott will be thinking about splitting the party...it's just how far the church wants to over stretch its influence.
 

I thought Malcolm was a Catholic too ?

I hope Bernadi et al leave the Libs too.

They will then have to go public with their extremism, and not hide behind Party Room doors.
 
SirRumpole said:
I thought Malcolm was a Catholic too ?

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Correct

Julie is Anglican and Josh is Uniting, not sure if any of the others are immune from the Papal superstition

Bob Menzies is to blame, he was the one who decided to fund Catholic Schools back in the early sixties, implicitly giving them the nod to mix constitutionally mandated secular politics, men in dresses and archaic ritual mumbo jumbo.....see what happens when you give minority groups and fringe dwellers special treatment ... they become a crony union of self serving untouchables.

I much prefer having a Queen who prefers to leave us alone, instead of some President who takes orders from the Vatican and if there has to be a religion, Anglicanism because it tends to leave us alone. Joe Hockey can go fly a green mick kite instead of his republican push afaic.
 
2014-15 budget deficit now officially to be $8B higher than forecast at $38B

Pyne better ask for a paternity test as there's no surplus in the DNA
 
I normally avoid political issues, but reading and listening to all the post-mortems in the media on the Turnbull coup and the issue of disloyalty, I have yet to see one piece that points to the person who showed real disloyalty, that is Abbott himself.

If Abbott showed real loyalty to the both the Liberal Party and the Australian people, then he should have resigned and allowed a smooth transition to a new leader. A coup should not have been needed. Abbott know beyond doubt, after 18 or so bad polls, that he would lose to Shorten in the next election whenever it might take place. Yet, for pride or whatever other reason, he stuck it out and was willing to deliver a Shorten government to the Australian people and cause his own party to be chucked out of office.

This to me is the real disloyalty. By reading the writing on the wall, he could have arranged a smooth transition to a new leader, that would have allowed the new leader a fresh start without the new leader being tainted by the smear of disloyalty and "blood on his hands". Loyalty should be to your party and above all to the Australian People, not to yourself and your own pride.
 
Perhaps one has to be so driven to get there that it largely disguises that writing on the wall.

The same could be said of Julia Gillard and John Howard in his last term. The latter is perhaps an example where there should be a limit on how long any individual PM can serve regardless of how long their party is in office much as the US does with their president. In saying that though, I don't like their public campaign model for choosing the next leader. For 3-year terms, 3 terms is probably enough for any individual PM to realise their particular vision for the country with the transition to a new leader an internal party issue as it is now.

Bill Hayden knew when to step aside but that was from opposition.
 

Although I think Abbott had the potential to be a good PM, with some good guidance, in general I agree with your post.

More political ignorance than disloyalty.
 
In my view, they are no different to Labor with their knives, and Turnbull would have been the last of my choices.
Is there any difference between Labor and Liberal in policies after the next election...

Turnbull on Rudd: “It was one of the cruelest moments I have ever witnessed”
Not only treachery, also a hypocrite

Jeff Kennett summed up my view on the night --
Liberal leadership: Jeff Kennett slams Malcolm Turnbull as 'the Kevin Rudd of the Liberal Party'
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-14/jeff-kennett-slams-malcolm-turnbull/6775228

Media class expels a Prime Minister who dissented
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/..._class_expels_a_prime_minister_who_dissented/

A coup has two parts: the hidden skulduggery and the public justifications for such skulduggery. It’s only by considering both that ... something very interesting - and worrying - starts to emerge: a feeling that Abbott was dumped not because he was an ineffective leader but because his world view failed to conform with what political and media insiders consider to be proper and progressive…

Whatever the internal Liberal machinations that led to the ousting of Abbott, the public mythologisation of his removal is revealing and terrifying. It speaks to the new intolerance, where anyone who refuses to buy into chattering-class orthodoxies can expect ridicule, and maybe even the termination of their careers.
 

This is so true. It is the media who've fomented the absolute hatred of the man. While some may disagree with his ideology, the collective character assassination was/is unreasonable imo.
 
Tink said:
...... chattering-class orthodoxies ......[/I]
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The author of that tongue twister deserves and award for best use of retrograde 80's speak! I'm not sure it's correct context though because I recall it was a derogatory term for the educated lefties ... unless Bill Shorten dumped Abbott I don't see the linker?
 
Well this is where we disagree, Tisme, as I have pointed out throughout my posts.
Once upon a time we lived in a democracy, where freedom of speech was allowed.

The media, their ABC, has taken on form, to push their agenda on what they want.

He didn't agree, and should have been entitled to express it, but of course, the chattering classes have silenced all views, except the ones that they want.

They are happy now they have Malcolm that toes THEIR party line.

This is not a democracy, in my view.
 
wayneL said:
This is so true. It is the media who've fomented the absolute hatred of the man. While some may disagree with his ideology, the collective character assassination was/is unreasonable imo.
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It was fine when the media was on the other side. Abbott's "character assassination" was nothing compared to what Gillard went through.
 


Why not use simple speak then ad just blame the media? I remember the old days and the newspaper barons pushing their their spit and vitriol against the Labor and labour unions..... there is still an extant dinosaur living in News Corp's Brisbane office masquerading as a professional unbiased journalism; the editor rides it like a jockey and it's name is the Courier Mail.

I take exception to protected species like the Bolts, Dores, etc having the temerity to insult intelligent people and me D) with their puerile logic and twisting of facts ... no matter who their target is. It has got to a point that many in my blue ribbon electorate are vocal about the absence of fairness. So I can understand your displeasure of the ABC if it doesn't meet with your approval Tink, but the LNP couldn't sustain the comradery 12 months after the election and recently they couldn't stomach the loss in faith of the public and their own back benchers ... so the Et tu, Brute moment for the Libs.
 
Yea, blame the media.
Let's ignore Abbott's obvious incompetence, complete lack of vision and history of making poor decisions.
His was a political animal, skilled at number crunching and back stabbing and nothing more. Almost as much a hollow man as Julia Gillard.
 
I didn't see those complaining of Fairfax or ABC bias complaining when News Corp ran a full death by media campaign on Labor.
 
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