The Abbott Government

McLovin · 15 September 2015

Knobby22 said:
Abbot was a 50's DLP person masquerading as a Liberal. Bishop is a Menzian Liberal. True Blue.

Exactly. Abbott and guys like Joe de Bruyn are more alike than they are not. He wasn't a Liberal, or even a liberal, he was a tightly wound Christian conservative who didn't know how to approach the challenges of the world we live in so framed everything around Australia under threat. There was a total lack of vision under Abbott. Turnbull offers the best chance for genuine reform, because, amongst other things, he can reach across the aisle. It will also force Labor to put up a genuine contender, not that suckhole Shorten.

SirRumpole · 15 September 2015

McLovin said:
It will also force Labor to put up a genuine contender, not that suckhole Shorten.

I'm not sure there is the intellectual gravitas in Labor to equal Turnbull in smarts. Chris Bowen may get the closest, the rest of the ranks are pretty bare.

noco · 15 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
I'm not sure there is the intellectual gravitas in Labor to equal Turnbull in smarts. Chris Bowen may get the closest, the rest of the ranks are pretty bare.

There is far less talent in the LUG party including Bowen the Fabian.

McLovin · 15 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
I'm not sure there is the intellectual gravitas in Labor to equal Turnbull in smarts. Chris Bowen may get the closest, the rest of the ranks are pretty bare.

I had lunch with someone last week who is pretty well connected on the Labor side and he reckons there's a few who could. They need to blood them first though. Jason Clare is top of the list. I always thought it was a shame the ALP lost Lindsay Tanner.

sinner · 15 September 2015

noco said:
There is far less talent in the LUG party including Bowen the Fabian.

Hard to tell if noco is a low intelligence Liberal party loyalist or merely a small computer program which repeats trite rubbish all the time.

Before the nocobot accuses me of being a LUG member or Fabian, I also think the so called "left" in this country consist mostly of the same scummy career politicians as those on the perfect "right".

Knobby22 · 15 September 2015

McLovin said:
I had lunch with someone last week who is pretty well connected on the Labor side and he reckons there's a few who could. They need to blood them first though. Jason Clare is top of the list. I always thought it was a shame the ALP lost Lindsay Tanner.

They desperately need an alternative.

Tisme · 15 September 2015

Thank you for the privilege of being Prime Minister. My love for this country is as strong as ever.

It's just the dammed people in it that are a pain, especially those Liberal b45t4rds !!!!

noco · 15 September 2015

sinner said:
Hard to tell if noco is a low intelligence Liberal party loyalist or merely a small computer program which repeats trite rubbish all the time.

Before the nocobot accuses me of being a LUG member or Fabian, I also think the so called "left" in this country consist mostly of the same scummy career politicians as those on the perfect "right".

ROFL.

I do love a good circus joke.

Macquack · 15 September 2015

pixel said:
The Country!
Neither an individual nor any partying group of individuals should be considered more important than the people of the country they all pretend to represent. I find it quite telling that the noun party has the particular two meanings:

party
ˈpɑːti/

noun: party; plural noun: parties

a social gathering of invited guests, typically involving eating, drinking, and entertainment.

a formally constituted political group that contests elections and attempts to form or take part in a government.

Add to #1: ... all paid for by a person or group of persons who may be unrelated, yet unwillingly conned into footing the bill and cleaning up the aftermath...

Post of the year.

I do wonder what the opinion of Julia would have been. She was "the balanced view" that I read with true interest (even if I disagreed).

Smurf1976 · 15 September 2015

McLovin said:
Turnbull offers the best chance for genuine reform, because, amongst other things, he can reach across the aisle.

A critical quality of a leader that Abbott clearly didn't have.

Anyway, it's over now. His own party dumped Abbott before the Australian people had a chance to do the same.

Tisme · 16 September 2015

he sacking of Tony Abbott by his own colleagues was not just about self-preservation, it was about internal dysfunction.

The coup was thus a double decapitation: the Prime Minister and his too-powerful, micromanaging, forceful, feud-enmeshed chief of staff, Peta Credlin. Both were terminated with prejudice.

The catalyst for the coup, Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop, had developed a loathing of Credlin. Like many in the parliamentary party, she came to believe that Credlin had to go, even if it meant getting rid of Abbott.

So great was the animus towards Credlin among many people within the government that roughly half the backbench and half the ministry wanted to see her removed.

It was Julie Bishop who delivered the blow.

This is not a question of blaming a female staffer for a male boss's failures. Abbott was the agent of his own demise. As much as I personally like the man, his performance on ABC's 7.30 last week was abysmal, the latest of many leaden efforts.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/com...-removal-of-peta-credlin-20150915-gjmv0r.html

SirRumpole · 16 September 2015

Smurf1976 said:
A critical quality of a leader that Abbott clearly didn't have.

I would suggest that Turnbull has the same problem

Right now in Question Time he is looking very much like a man whose ambition has triumphed over his principles.

wayneL · 16 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
I would suggest that Turnbull has the same problem

Right now in Question Time he is looking very much like a man whose ambition has triumphed over his principles.

Why?

SirRumpole · 16 September 2015

wayneL said:
Why?

He once thought an ETS was the best way of reducing emissions, now he thinks Direct Action (which he once described as bull****) is the best.

He once thought a Parliamentary vote was the best way to address the Gay Marriage issue, now he thinks a plebiscite is the best.

He sold water policy to the Nats who will now drain the rivers so the Nats can please the farmers.

More to come I'm sure.

wayneL · 16 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
He once thought an ETS was the best way of reducing emissions, now he thinks Direct Action (which he once described as bull****) is the best.

He once thought a Parliamentary vote was the best way to address the Gay Marriage issue, now he thinks a plebiscite is the best.

He sold water policy to the Nats who will now drain the rivers so the Nats can please the farmers.

More to come I'm sure.

I find it curious that folks view as a negative that pollies can change their opinion ??????

SirRumpole · 16 September 2015

wayneL said:
I find it curious that folks view as a negative that pollies can change their opinion ??????

I think it's more relevant WHY they change their opinion.

MT has given no reason why he changed his mind on an ETS apart from that his party told him to. So he either looks like a hypocrite or a figurehead politician instead of a real leader.

pixel · 16 September 2015

wayneL said:
I find it curious that folks view as a negative that pollies can change their opinion ??????

+1
... especially when - at this time - it appears to be the party members' majority opinion.

"Politics is the Art of the Possible."
Otto von Bismarck

Rumpy: Give MT some time to establish some leadership. He may well change his opinion back to where it was - if he can influence a sufficient number of party members.

McLovin · 16 September 2015

wayneL said:
I find it curious that folks view as a negative that pollies can change their opinion ??????

Or that we want to go back to "captain's calls"

SirRumpole · 16 September 2015

pixel said:
+1
... especially when - at this time - it appears to be the party members' majority opinion.

"Politics is the Art of the Possible."
Otto von Bismarck

Rumpy: Give MT some time to establish some leadership. He may well change his opinion back to where it was - if he can influence a sufficient number of party members.

Yes, you are probably right. MT is smart enough to get what he wants without the dumbos realising it !

noco · 16 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
I think it's more relevant WHY they change their opinion.

MT has given no reason why he changed his mind on an ETS apart from that his party told him to. So he either looks like a hypocrite or a figurehead politician instead of a real leader.

Kim Beasley and the Labor Party were steed fast in winding back the GST....How come he changed his mind?

Julia Gillard said, "there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead"........Why did she change her mind?

Bill Shorten said Julia Gillard had his support 100% then a week later he was backing Kevin Rudd. ...Why did Bill change his mind?

Now, who are the hypocrites?

The Abbott Government

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