Julia
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There is absolutely no indication that either the Opposition or the Senate cross bench will act any differently in the immediate future than they have thus far.I would think the senate can only be obstructionist if the policy has been proposed and presented. I don't believe this has really happened.
A bit off topic since it's a state matter not federal, but I think the current situation in Tas does actually answer a lot of questions of broader relevance.Smurf from what I have been reading Tas is slowly turning around in some areas through exports? Any areas you see growing down there?
The last time I'm going to respond to this disingenous stuff:
There is absolutely no indication that either the Opposition or the Senate cross bench will act any differently in the immediate future than they have thus far.
Their behaviour is political, especially Labor blocking legislation they actually put up themselves, so as long as their determination is to be obstructive rather than constructive, the government can go whistle in the wind with any measures they want to apply in order to alter the forward fiscal trajectory.
banco said:I've no doubt there's a big element of politics in it but why would they vote for measures that the Labor party in any of its iterations over the past 20 years or so would oppose (ie higher education reforms, changes to the pension etc.)?
+1.
Obviously, Labor opposing measures they supported when in government is hypocritical.
For the rest, consider whether the current government has an electoral mandate for a lot of the measures it's introducing. They never said they would introduce a Medicare co-payment before the election, or change pension indexing, or increase the cost of tertiary education etc etc.
Given this, there is no reason why the Opposition, Greens or Palmer should support any of these measures if they feel they are not in the interests of the country. As Tony Abbott himself once said, it's up to the Government to get it's legislation through Parliament, if they can't then it's no one else's fault but theirs if they can't convince the Senate that they are on the right course.
noco said:Julia Gillard said before the election " THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER THE GOVERNMENT I LEAD"...She had no electoral mandate either but the biased Senate allowed it to go through.
“When we transition from our current state to the new department next year, and commence on the path of the next phase of our journey, we should take a moment to reflect on what has been achieved since 1945. I contend that we will be able to declare the original mission of 1945 – to build the population base – to have been accomplished.”
Could the big Australia drive be over?
https://www.immi.gov.au/about/speeches-pres/_pdf/sovereignty-age-interdependency-04122014.pdf
2014 hasn't been that bad in my view.Possibly in the same way those who voted for Abbott would like to forget 2014?
I'll go out on a limb and say Abbott's performance in 2015 will be no better.
+1into oblivion because they cynically tried to fool the electorate with sham promises just to get power.
No matter which party does this, they have to learn that the electorate won't accept it.
Nothing this government has done comes even remotely close to Julia Gillard's carbon tax.The current government has lost credibility due to a series of major lies.
I've no doubt there's a big element of politics in it but why would they vote for measures that the Labor party in any of its iterations over the past 20 years or so would oppose (ie higher education reforms, changes to the pension etc.)?
If the objection is due to clearly outlined, long held philosophical conviction, then yes, fair enough, but with proposals like the fuel indexation and the medicare co-payment, it seems like sheer bloody mindedness to me.+1.
Obviously, Labor opposing measures they supported when in government is hypocritical.
For the rest, consider whether the current government has an electoral mandate for a lot of the measures it's introducing. They never said they would introduce a Medicare co-payment before the election, or change pension indexing, or increase the cost of tertiary education etc etc.
That's an interesting observation, drsmith. Can you expand on it a bit?Many of the feathers on the floor around here are a by-product of this government stopping the boats.
Nothing this government has done comes even remotely close to Julia Gillard's carbon tax.
An unfortunate reality of our political environment is that all governments break promises after coming to power. Some are so big that they terminal to a government in themselves such as the carbon tax above. The question then becomes the extent and the ability of a government to present such changes as part of a broader strategy. This is where the current government has failed badly and where it will obviously need to substantially lift its game if it is to successfully present a broader reform agenda in the lead up to the next election.
The fuel indexation proposal was for just a few cents
Replace "Shorten" by "Abbott", and your sentence will lose nothing of its veracity.But Shorten is blind, deaf and dumb to reality...Shorten is so narrow minded, he can see though a key hole with both eyes...no interest in the welfare of the nation...only self interest in point scoring.
The fuel indexation proposal was for just a few cents and the co-payment was capped at just $70 per year.
2014 hasn't been that bad in my view.
Labor's carbon tax is gone and their useless mining tax is gone. Labor's boats are also stopped and the government is at least trying to fix the deficit trajectory left by Labor despite the obstructionist nature of Labor itself in the senate including blocking their own savings.
Many of the feathers on the floor around here are a by-product of this government stopping the boats.
Medicare co-payment seems like a good idea to stop waste and a sensible idea regardless of the budget situation. But then I'd argue that the practice of visiting doctors for the sole purpose of obtaining a medical certificate also needs a major overhaul as it's a significant unnecessary drain on the system - quite likely a bigger drain than any visits that would be stopped with the $7 payment.
As for the fuel excise, ultimately it wasn't just a few cents but a series of ongoing increases with no end date. I'd rather they just imposed a one-off increase then review that in due course. Automatic increases tend to avoid scrutiny.
I also question why just fuel? Why don't we also have, say, an internet excise and a furniture excise? Why just on fuel? Or (serious question since I don't know the answer) were they going to legislate that every last cent of fuel excise actually went into roads or at least transport-related things (rail, public transport etc)?
I don't see the rationale unless it's either tied to funding of roads etc or is intended as being a means of reducing urban air pollution, encouraging a shift to electric cars etc which hasn't been the stated intent. If the aim is simply raising revenue, then income taxes or GST are more logical things to increase I'd have thought given the huge variations in petrol consumption between individuals these days. There's people at both ends of the income spectrum with either very low or very high fuel use, so fuel excise seems an inequitable means of raising revenue for general government spending.
My gas bill has gone up since the carbon tax was removed, yet I'm still using the same amount of gas
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