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The Abbott Government


It was Denis Napthine, Liberal premier of Victoria who said that the discounts would be lost under the budget. He was very critical on the TV news.
Either he was misinformed or Hockey has changed this now after being shocked by the voter backlash.

I personally find it hard to see how lowering of company tax rates can be justified at this time.

Single pensioners can have it very bad as we all know.

What did you think about the alternatives proposed?
 
Hawke/ Keating in 1983.


So there you go, you go on about the Libs, they bring in a welfare payment. You talk up Labor and they brought in the fuel excise with indexing.

Well, Labor had to fund the Libs reckless 'entitlement' spending didn't they ?

 

Thanks sptrawler. Good points. If you haven't enough money to retire on then selling the family home is a good option and I have no problem with that. I know an Italian guy who sold his family home and used the money mainly to visit his home village in Italy then lived in a caravan with his wife till he died a few years later. We live in a freee country and should be able to do what we like.

I disagree on the whether the benefits will come back however. It's usually one way in this period of history.
 
Well at least at this stage you guys can get your super. Despite living in Australia as a PR for 12 years i cannot get my super unless i retire in Australia, provided they let me immigrate. This should be in the Super thread really...
 
Well at least at this stage you guys can get your super. Despite living in Australia as a PR for 12 years i cannot get my super unless i retire in Australia, provided they let me immigrate.
So what would happen to your Super if you were never to return to Australia?
 

If your parents are in their 80s I guess you are a baby-boomer and a true product of the Age of Entitlement... and your children more so.

However don't despair. The Age of Entitlement, post-budget, is still alive and kicking.

Contrary to general opinion, the Treasurer’s budget measures on welfare are more about cost-cutting than ending the age of entitlement.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/th...entitlement-20140519-38k0s.html#ixzz32EDmy2wk
 
Well at least at this stage you guys can get your super. Despite living in Australia as a PR for 12 years i cannot get my super unless i retire in Australia, provided they let me immigrate. This should be in the Super thread really...

Can – this doesn’t sound quite right.

You don’t have to move back to Australia to get your super – You just have to meet the same conditions of release as if you lived in Australia ie preservation age, permanently retired etc.

You can’t get it early as you once could by moving out of Australia permanently.
 
So what would happen to your Super if you were never to return to Australia?

I'm not sure Julia, i assume it just falls under 'lost' super and goes where ever that goes. No doubt the government has plans for it already:frown:
 

Well unless its changed recently Craft, that's not the advice that I've been given. In fact, i cannot even self manage it.

I was suspicious of the first advice that i was given so i checked it with my new accountant in QLD and indeed they also confirmed it.

In any case now that I'm married to an Australian citizen it doesn't faze me much, but sometimes plans change...
 
It was Denis Napthine, Liberal premier of Victoria who said that the discounts would be lost under the budget. He was very critical on the TV news.
Are you sure he wasn't referring to the discounts which are available via a Seniors' Card and the Commonwealth Seniors Health Card? (Judd first raised this a few days ago). The Seniors Card is State based and apparently funded by the Commonwealth, at least in part.

There has been a proposal by the government to remove one of the concessions currently available on the CSHC, apparently worth about $800 p.a.
The CSHC does not offer any entitlement to discount on Council rates, something that apparently a pension card does to the tune of around 20% off.

I personally find it hard to see how lowering of company tax rates can be justified at this time.
The economy is still soft. Presumably the government are thinking about a slight lowering providing an incentive to invest and increase staff.

What did you think about the alternatives proposed?
I am not an economist. I have no idea of how much money could be saved by any particular measure. However, fwiw:

So given the above facts what would a sensible leader, e.g. like John Howard do?
1. Raise the marginal tax rates by a small amount. This would easily cover the savings made by the other budget measures.
A raising of the GST might be more simple and more logical, with appropriate compensation for the poor.
I'm against applying the GST to fresh fruit and vegetables, given the rising rate of obesity. We should be providing an incentive to healthy eating imo, not a disincentive.

2. One of the largest drains on the budget (this is true) is superannuation tax breaks to the wealthy. They could limit the 15% annual tax break to say $200,000 a year where it changes to 30% and save quite a large amount.
I'm not sure about too many disincentives to Super if the aim is to have more people being self funded in retirement.
One aspect that I do think should be changed is the capacity for an elderly person to receive a full pension whilst living in a $2M home. I'd like to see the value of homes over $1M in Sydney and Melbourne, and less in regional areas, included in the assets test for the pension.
No need for any of the emotive whining about 'throwing poor, vulnerable old people out of their cherished family homes'. If they are determined not to downsize, then they can engage a reverse mortgage to provide an income stream to supplement the reduced amount of government pension.

I don't see why struggling young people, already finding it so difficult to save enough to get into their first home, should be seeing their taxes going to the old who can afford to make a contribution to their own income.

3. Make cuts equitably e.g. why do private schools not get a cut? Why do companies get a tax break?
Can't comment on private schools. Entirely unfamiliar with schools funding these days.
Company tax rate already commented on.

4. Make some of the other changes that are reasonable that have been proposed.
Can't comment here as I have no idea what you're referring to.

5. Continue changes to Superannuation so people can be expected to have enough to retire on in the future, reducing pension reliance. this means helping the lower paid build up their super, through good policy.
I think the need for this is clear to both sides of politics. However, there is no need for anyone to be dependent on government policy to ensure enough to live on in retirement. All through our lives we have choices about whether to think about how much we will need in retirement and how to get there, or alternatively to decline to think about it, spend most of what we earn, and then wail when we get old about how unfair it is that the government didn't make us save more.

Some good comments on this in the Superannuation thread. I certainly wouldn't be committing excessive amounts to Super at age 30.

My parents are in their 80s. They won't be a drain on taxpayers forever. Don't hit the pensioners that grew up in the Depression.
As far as I can tell, there will no hit on pensioners who grew up in the Depression, other than perhaps the $7 to visit the GP and the increase in PBS medicines which are presently extremely discounted over their real cost. Then there's a safety net ensuring maximum of $70 p.a. is paid. Surely that's fair enough and should reduce over servicing.
Even these measures will probably not happen because the other parties are vowing not to support them in the Senate.

I just believe in the Australian way of everyone getting a fair go. I believe that if you get the marks you should be able to go to Melbourne/Sydney University and not be scared off by $30,000 a year fees
So who do you think should pay for people to go to university? It's not as if anyone has to pay up front for their degree. The taxpayer provides what seems to me a pretty cheap loan with no requirement to even pay back a single dollar until income reaches a certain level, I think about $50K. Seems absolutely fair to me.

And on paying back what is spent on anyone's education, let's think about some of these hugely wealthy sports stars who have had extremely large amounts of money spent on their training via the Australian Institute of Sport. AFAIK none of this is paid back even when they earn hundreds of thousands. Happy to be corrected if I'm in error on this.
 

You must be right. The Commonwealth funding has disappeared. He was talking energy costs not council rates.
 

Don’t know your situation but never heard a requirement to move back to access.

Nothing has changed recently that I know of.

Either you were a temporary resident and you can get your super on leaving Aus or you are a permanent resident or citizen in which case you have to meet standard conditions of release and this is due to having a right to retire in Australia

https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/In-detail/Temporary-residents/Super-information-for-temporary-residents-departing-Australia/

Like I say I don’t know your situation but do know if I, as a citizen moved oversees, I could claim my super in another country under the same conditions of release as if I was in Australia.

Running a SMSF does have residency requirements - so no arguments there.

This should probably be in the super thread and you might get some additional views from the likes of VES.
 

Craft, there was a loophole several years ago, whereby someone with dual citizenship, could sign a stat dec they were leaving the country, never to return and access their super.
What people were doing was take the money, go overseas for a period then come back.
I can't remember when it was closed off but it was a fair few years ago.
Now I think you have to reach preservation age even if leaving the country. I think that may be what CanOz may be refering to.
 
As you appear to be too lazy to do your own research, I'll do it for you this time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-19/sharing-of-budget-pain-not-fair-natsem-modelling-says/5463008

What else would you expect from a well trained left wing socialist Communist who learned it all in Moscow and 15 years with the socialist ABC.....She certainly was not in Moscow for a beauty contest.

It is all a beat up.

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The ABC sent her to Moscow and now she's a communist ?

hahahahahahaha

Better check under your bed matey, the commos are there too

 


The ABC sent her to Moscow and now she's a communist ?

hahahahahahaha

Better check under your bed matey, the commos are there too


Yeah she was well trained...as I said before, was not there to enter in a beauty contest.

Gillard also sent two unions heavies over there to get trained and indoctrinated.
 
In that case they really suckered Abbott in to 'unity tickets' with Labor on NDIS and Gonski.

Either that or Abbott deliberately lied.

Abbott is either a fool or a liar, any preference ?

I hope he lied, because even the Reserve Bank says we can't afford them.
People need to get over this garbage and start debating the real issue of the deficit.
 
even the Reserve Bank says we can't afford them.
I take comments of this nature from the RBA fairly seriously given that they normally avoid commenting publicly on party political matters. It's not as though they comment on every tax or spending change unless it's either directly related to banking etc or is sufficiently drastic that they feel compelled to comment on it.
 
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