Thank God I'm Australian

[pepperoni]

simply put its kind of like this -

equality of gender

and yet women earn 15% less - frankly I think overt discrimitation is more honorable than covert

freedom of religion

Just dont build your mosque near me

freedom of sexual orientation

but the home of poofter bashing and no gay marriage.


The holier than thou rhetoric is ridiculous - there is no way your typical first fleet descendant aussie is any better than anyone else in the world - muslims included.

 

[disarray]

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[pepperoni]

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Disarray on his spaceship the AUS La La Land :

 

[Spanning Tree]

Australia has a skills shortage. One of my friends is a farmer and he constantly complains about Australians who demand high wages and then do just about nothing on the job. No wonder farmers want high immigration.

Immigrants who come here need to be clothed, fed, and housed, which boosts demand for good and services, thereby creating jobs in clothing manufacture, food preparation, construction, etc.

Just about all political parties agree that immigration is important for economic growth. High immigration was practiced by the Howard Government after fierce lobbying by business groups and the program has continued under the Rudd Government.

This whole idea of a true Australian identity is very vague. How do you define it? Why isn't a tall Sudanese man included in the Australian identity if his physical appearance more closely resembles an Aborginal than the physical appearance of most of the Australian population currently?

Some people say that true Australians drive Holdens. So someone driving a BMW is not an Australian? This illustrates my point: that national identity is vague and until someone defines what we have to wear and what we have to buy to be an Australia, there can be no contructive conversation. And even if you do define this Australian identity, is there any pride in conforming to a stereotype?

some cultures are dysfunctional are we sure as hell should NOT be importing more of these people into this country. theres millions of english speaking educated europeans who would love to settle in australia (and possibly flee parts of europe that are becoming unlivable due to immigration) we could open the doors too without worrying about cultural or religious baggage.

If we are to abandon freedom of religion and judge people based on a study of their religion, we might as well deport all religious people since just about all religions contain questionable practices. For example, the the New Testament of the Bible, it states that any man who looks at a woman and lusts for her must gouge out his eyes (Matthew 5:28-29). Imagine looking at a bikini-clad woman on a beach, lusting after her, and then having the police come to remove your eyes.

crime statistics clearly point out that sudanese and lebanese migrants are hugely overrepresented as perpertrators of crime

This is irrelevant. The crimes of some in a group don't make everyone in that group a criminal. Even men commit more crime than women, but are you going to deport all men? Short people are more likely to be pedophiles than tall people, so are you doing to deport all short people?

Mateship
A fair go for all.
Pull your weight.
Respect for others and their point of view.
Have a go regardless of the perceived obstacles.
Reject snobbery.
Do business on the shake of the hand.
No worries mate.

And you're certainly showing these values to the immigrants who come here.

If you claim one culture is superior to another, that's snobbery, and therefore un-Australian by your definition.

equality of gender
freedom of religion
freedom of sexual orientation
freedom to elect your leaders
freedom to openly state your opinion
freedom of choice (within reasonable bounds)
freedom to live in peace, forge your own destiny, raise your kids etc. etc.

these are the basic tenets of western cultural belief and identity.

Weren't you earlier bashing Muslims and therefore arguing against freedom of religion?

 

[IFocus]

and yet women earn 15% less - frankly I think overt discrimitation is more honorable than covert

Consequences for discrimination against women in some cultures is that they die, cannot see the honorable bit.

Just dont build your mosque near me

Ever hear the call to pray?

but the home of poofter bashing and no gay marriage.

The holier than thou rhetoric is ridiculous - there is no way your typical first fleet descendant aussie is any better than anyone else in the world - muslims included.

Though Disarray made a number of valid points particularly the issue of violence.

What every your views the ques of people wanting to get into western countries speaks for it self.

 

[pepperoni]

What every your views the ques of people wanting to get into western countries speaks for it self.

The reasons they want to get in are money and saftey related ... not because we are dont discriminate against sex, religion and sexuality (as we clearly do).

Australia IS the best country in the world IMO, but it would be alot better with the yobbos xenophobes and racists.

 

[glenn_r]

Every person here in Oz is an immigrant including the Aborigines , our rich culture is derived from the multi cultures immigrating here, you guys need to build a bridge and get over it.

But I also agree if you don't love Australia then bug ger off, I have travelled to quite a few countries, none of them ever measure up to Oz and I always get a good feeling inside when I can see the my beloved country from the air after being away.

A fifth generation Aussie's 2 cents.

http://music.videosift.com/video/Football-Meat-Pies-Kangaroos-and-Holden-Cars

GO CATS

 

[sk8er]

I understand that the birth rate amongst our muslim community is nearly triple that of the multi-generational Australians.

I say stop child support after 10 children. That would fix this imbalance.

 

[Julia]

T There were no "aussies" until the poms sent their "best" out here to become the first real Aussies.

Did they? I thought they sent their convicts out here, with the exception of South Australia, where the free settlers went, ditto New Zealand. A critic could draw all sorts of implications from such a settlement of Australia.

 

[Prospector]

Did they? I thought they sent their convicts out here, with the exception of South Australia, where the free settlers went, ditto New Zealand

And mighty proud of that too, here in SA. Our first settlers were European in origin, from Germany and the like.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Every person here in Oz is an immigrant including the Aborigines ,

That is true of ancestors.Rights to land due to being first here are recognised by the Australian government.Having said that i do reserve my right to travel anywhere I want in this relatively sane country.

It`s all about rights as a human that makes the difference and that is where Australia has an improving record generally typing.

 

[wayneL]

That is true of ancestors.Rights to land due to being first here are recognised by the Australian government.Having said that i do reserve my right to travel anywhere I want in this relatively sane country.

It`s all about rights as a human that makes the difference and that is where Australia has an improving record generally typing.

I tried to claim land rights here, being an ethnic Pom.

They said: Sure! Just hand over 250k, sign on the dotted line and it's yours.

 

[jwrt]

people are utterly nieve about the true nature of islam. at least people have stopped with the "islam is the religion of peace" line because we've all picked up on the fact that this is bs, so now with a bit more research people can discover that islam isn't just a religion, it's a political doctrine, and mohammed wasn't some glorious prophet, he was a mass murdering paedophiliac narcissistic warlord with delusions of grandeur (pbuh).

Freedom of Religion hey Disarray?
You're a scumbag.
Can't you just wake up one morning, take one deep breath, and just not care anymore? All this worrying must be damaging your health, you probably look older than you really are.
Life is too short mate.
Wake up tomorrow, have a seafood laksa for breakfast, go for a swim at your local beach, run down to the butcher, buy some grass-fed, quality rib-eye, try and season with indigenous spices (if you can!), grill em' and wash them down with a beautiful red (your choice of region and variety!).
What a wicked day! REPEAT FOR EVER!

peace

 

[jwrt]

They are most common in areas like macquaries fields and have the same effect of property prices as mobile phone towers and high power lines.

Brilliant.

 

[Spanning Tree]

All this reminds me of a Muslim friend of mine. He came to Australia and when he came someone told him that he should fit in and convert to Christianity because most Australians are Christian. And so he did so. He started reading the Bible often and went to church. He was at the beach one time with some friends when he saw near-naked women in bikinis. He was offended by this. His friends said, "Don't worry about it. Women are free to wear as little as they want. It's part of Australian culture to enjoy women's bodies." The problem is that the Bible states that a man cannot lust. Therefore, he was faced with a dilemma because one person was saying that in order to be a true Australian you must be Christian and yet another person was saying that order to be a true Australian you must lust and therefore behave in an anti-Christian way. This is why it's essential that those who argue for conformity precisely define how an immigrant can conform to these so-called Australian values.

This Muslim person drove an Audi and so somebody suggested that he drive a Holden because Audi is German and not Australia. However, I argued that because currently the Toyota Corolla is the best-selling car then the Australian thing to do would be to buy a Corolla since fitting in is defined as following what most people do. The logical implication of this is that if you earn over $100,000 and you are NOT overweight, you're un-Australian since the average Australian earns $50,000 and is overweight. If an immigrant comes from Japan and is used to eating low-fat food and then all of a sudden you force the immigrant to conform to Australian norms and start eating food that is high in saturated fats and additives, then how is that helpful? If anything it will increase the burden on public health expenditure.

Another hypocrisy I'd like to talk about is how some say that Australia is so great because of freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and so forth, yet when the Muslims come here they mock their religion (goes against their freedom of religion) and then mock their language, telling them to speak English instead (goes against freedom of speech). So are you for Western values or against it?

But I also agree if you don't love Australia then bug ger off, I have travelled to quite a few countries, none of them ever measure up to Oz and I always get a good feeling inside when I can see the my beloved country from the air after being away.

I think the love-it-or-leave-it argument is un-democratic. If you don't love something, you should talk to your MP, vote against it, or start your own party. If you leave, the problem remains. Most One Nation supporters I talk to believe that if you don't love the country then you should leave. Then they criticize the Liberal/Labor party for sending in too many immigrants and whatever. If the One Nation supporters don't like it, why don't they follow their own principles and leave?

people are utterly nieve about the true nature of islam. at least people have stopped with the "islam is the religion of peace" line because we've all picked up on the fact that this is bs, so now with a bit more research people can discover that islam isn't just a religion, it's a political doctrine, and mohammed wasn't some glorious prophet, he was a mass murdering paedophiliac narcissistic warlord with delusions of grandeur (pbuh).

What exactly you do want? Do you want government to ban Islam? Do you want government to ban all religions and or regulate religions (as they do in Communist China)?

 

[Joe Blow]

You're a scumbag.

Just a warning that this type of personal attack won't be tolerated at ASF.

If you disagree with someone's views, fine, but there is absolutely no reason for personal attacks or name calling.

Play the ball, not the man (or woman).

Just a friendly reminder.

 

[Kauri]

how long do you need to simply reside in aUSTRALIA to quaffify to be an aUssie??
3 years..
...5 years..
....10 years...
..........40000 years???
de only raison I haven't signed up to be one yet is that I would have to vote...
..... and I blankly refuse to vote for any politician...
........... self serving sypholitic sycophants...
................."censored...."
........ mmm
Slainte
..............Kauri

 

[Sean K]

how long do you need to simply reside in aUSTRALIA to quaffify to be an aUssie??
3 years..
...5 years..
....10 years...
..........40000 years???
de only raison I haven't signed up to be one yet is that I would have to vote...
..... and I blankly refuse to vote for any politician...
........... self serving sypholitic sycophants...
................."censored...."
........ mmm
Slainte
..............Kauri

Technically, you just need citizenship don't you?

Aussie passport, and you're an Aussie.

That's why the Government wanted to bring in the Aussie Cultural Test to make sure you cut it.

Or, has it already been implimented?

Example questions:

Q1. Do you like vegemite?
Q2. Do you surf, or at least tried?
Q3. Do you like meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars?
Q4. Do you know where the dog sits on the tuckerbox?
Q5. How much can a koala bear?
Q6. Are Sir Les Patterson and Dame Edna Everage brother and sister?
Q7. Who won the 84, 85, 93 and 2000 AFL Grandfinals?
Q8. What brand of alcohol did Jimmy Barnes consume on stage?
Q9. Is XXXX a type of beer, or cats piss?
Q10. Are Phar Lap, Crowded House and Russel Crowe famous Australians?

etc

 

[wayneL]

Example questions:

Q1. Do you like vegemite?
Q2. Do you surf, or at least tried?
Q3. Do you like meat pies, kangaroos and Holden cars?
Q4. Do you know where the dog sits on the tuckerbox?
Q5. How much can a koala bear?
Q6. Are Sir Les Patterson and Dame Edna Everage brother and sister?
Q7. Who won the 84, 85, 93 and 2000 AFL Grandfinals?
Q8. What brand of alcohol did Jimmy Barnes consume on stage?
Q9. Is XXXX a type of beer, or cats piss?
Q10. Are Phar Lap, Crowded House and Russel Crowe famous Australians?

etc

 

[Investor123]

Every night I watch the news from around the world, and every day I cannot but feel so privaledged that I am born and bred an Aussie.

Sure, we have some problems .... trying to get along with our Aboriginal countrymen, some racial conflicts with our newest Australians, some security concerns with minority extremists, environmental issues with droughts, then floods....., but all in all we are so lucky.

No need to list the worries of the world that are all too well present, with all the deaths, conflicts, wars, racial and religious struggles that are continually beamed to us "via satellite" on our TV screens, but I wonder how we will remain safe and isolated from the conflicts that are slowly sucking in the broader parts of the globe.

The human streetscape, even in my little suburb in the inner west of Sydney is changing. I am seeing a lot more tall very black Afican (Sudanese?) people, women in full muslim wear, many middle eastern looking males and slowly but surely I am feeling the typical Aussie is disappearing.

I understand that the birth rate amongst our muslim community is nearly triple that of the multi-generational Australians.

How long before we lose our typical True Blue Aussie identity?

I heard that the tax rate for Australian is very high, about 50% if you include the insurance. That means you only take home half of your salary, is it true?