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spot on cuttlefishI don't really get this point. If someone who is unfit or overweight is at risk of death from being tazered, or someone who is under the influence of a substance is at risk of death from being tazered, then that would mean tazers are dangerous wouldn't it? There are also medical conditions that would increase the risk of being tazered causing either death or permanent physical injury.
I have done a search on the lethality of tasers and read your quoted cbs article in detail.
I find the evidence lacking for their lethality. Many of the quoted cases were overweight, unfit, on substances or being subdued or assaulting others forcibly. Thus the evidence for implicating tasers is weak, very weak.
Garpal
here you go then JuliaJudging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.
I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?
Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.
I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
chops - no argument ... but .. it gets worseHow many overweight, unfit and people suffering from heart conditions die when normally restrained by police? And how many die when restrained by a taser? If it is more with the latter, there is a causal link. Simple.
1. Presumably if the police were to use a taser on someone with a vulnerability to muscle spasm et al, they could be sued if significant and lasting harm were to occur?
2. Judging by the continued unco-operative behaviour of the bloke making the fuss, the dreaded taser seems to have been less than effective anyway.
3. I can understand the police losing patience with prats like this, but they sure as hell didn't get much assistance from the completely ineffectual John Kerry.
spot on manAs an ex-cop of 28 years it is my view that the actions of the police in this case if it was here in Aus., would be right out of order. If that is the way of USA I am glad I live here.
The 1 i used to have you would need to hold it to a persons neck for 30seconds before they ended up in a coma (not dead). 30 seconds is a long time in a scuffle, (mine was a high voltage 1 also). Its like saying i dont support police having batons/ guns etc.. yes they might have over reacted but at the end of the day at least he knows in the future whos boss. These days police are treated like scum and are walked all over.
and that justifies the police being douche bags and using electricity?You must admit that the guy did act like a douche bag...
You must admit that the guy did act like a douche bag...
Some more on the turkey who was tasered., from an eyewitness, who was at the John Kerry talk and who knows the turkey..
" Here is a website containing old columns written by tasered UF journalism student, Andrew Meyer. I thought you might find them interesting.
http://www.freewebs.com/newforum/bioandpersonalstories.htm
It’s evident from some of his writings, that he is nothing but a spoiled little kid in constant need of attention. In one of the “personal stories” he brags about taunting Ken Griffey, Jr. at a baseball game. Now, I enjoy a good heckle as much as the next guy, but it’s just supposed to be fun entertainment at a game. In his story, he is so proud of himself that he was important enough for Griffey to take notice, not to mention all the people around him at the game. He felt the need to brag about the incident to everyone online, as if we are all supposed to be impressed.
If you watch the video of his arrest, you can see that the same mentality is on display here. He wanted to get arrested from the beginning. He was basically goading the police into doing something by shouting “what are you going to do, arrest me?” Well, Andrew, yes… When you repeatedly ignore orders to peacefully leave, that’s what happens.
As a former University of Florida student, I’m glad that they are making attempts to control these public speaking events. The university works hard to bring in speakers of all viewponts (admittedly more liberals than conservatives), and these are a valuable resource available to the students. Too many times, I have witnessed these events being hijacked by students who have no intention of contributing anything to the discussion in a civil manner. They simply want to use these events as a platform for their own crazy conspiracy theories. "
Garpal
Andrew Meyer, 21, asked the Democrat senator why he did not contest the 2004 presidential election, which he lost to President Bush, and why there had been no moves to impeach Mr Bush. ... police... tasers etc
George Bush visits Bourke school whilst touring Western NSW..
"OK children" says the teacher - "aren't we lucky to have President Bush here with us today well, are there any little questions you'd like to ASK President Bush?"
pregnant pause, Smithy's hand shoots up.
"Yes Smithy?"
"Mr Bush" says young Smithy, "I've got 3 questions! - 1. why did you invade iraq, 2. what happened to the weapons of mass detruction, and 3. why did you treat the prisoners so bad ?" -
Dubya looks uneasy, but fortunately the bell rings for recess. "ok says the teacher - recess!"
Returning after 20 mins, the teacher again invites questions. "Yes Thommo?"
"Mr Bush" says young Thommo, "I've got 5 questions! - 1. why did you invade iraq, 2. what happened to the weapons of mass detruction, and 3. why did you treat the prisoners so bad - ........4. why did the recess bell ring 5 minutes early, and
5. ........what's happened to Smithy??"
Meyer was scheduled to appear in court Tuesday morning, a jail official said.
Orlando said university police would conduct an internal investigation on the incident.
"The police department does have a standard procedure for when they use force, including when they use a Taser," Orlando said. "That is what the internal investigation would address - whether the proper procedures were followed, whether the officers acted appropriately."
A young student, enthusiastic and a little overconfident (nothing like the exuberance of youth) has the courage to throw down the debating gauntlet to someone he clearly had respect for (JK). He came with a well prepared set of questions that were set up well and eloquently presented and introduced himself respectfully to the speaker.
Lively debate, challenging boundaries and spirited exploration of ideas is part and parcel of the passage through adolescence, particulary in a higher learning institution. John Kerry, in the spirit of this environment, appeared to look forward to taking up the challenge thrown down by this young enthusiastic individual and agreed to respond.
DEN DA POLICE GOT DA PUNK WIT DA TAZER
In my view anyone that does not think the police reaction was a disgrace has a big problem.
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