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explod - can I ask you a question please
as an excop -
how often have you seen totally - I mean TOTALLY - trumped up charges that someone resisted arrest ?
I'm talking about the "ole trifecta"- "assault of an officer, language and resist "
PS 90% of the time BS - IMO - I await your opinion / confirmation / denial
i have stated repeatedly in this thread he was initially restrained because he was in a heightened state of agitation and was requested by the moderators of the forum to shut up. he wouldn't shut up and when approached by security he responded with violence and erratic behaviour. even at this point he still wasn't "under arrest", he was merely being forcefully ejected from the meeting - had he just stfu and left without resisting that would have been the end of it. i really can't make it much clearer than that for you.
thanks explodAs a junior a number of times on stations. However 1970 demonstrations at the Springbok Rugby, Olympic Park there were 40 or fifty bundled into vans just because they were there. Police mood became inflamed when a Traffic Operations Group member was injured when (I think) a live flare got caught unside his helmet. Demonstrations brings out the worst in crowds and in police.
As I reached higher rank it never happened in my presence and rarely on my watch as I did not tolerate it. I became unpopular as a result so that says something but many of my peers felt the same way and as a result the job cleaned up in this regard from those early times. Cant speak for the last nine years when I retired.
Later at Court some informants would fail to front so suspects, so called would have charges dismissed. Bail Act was also bad in those early years and offenders could be locked up for days for very trivial stuff, so some things have improved considerably.
lol feeling it's a different John Howard. - mind you the rest rings true.Thirty years ago, the South African rugby team, the Springboks, arrived in Australia for a six week match tour.
Although supported by the Federal Government, the Springbok tour was deeply contoversial and divisive. It sparked anti-apartheid protests around the country, and a state of emergency was declared in Queensland.
On this 30th anniversary, a range of people involved offer their recollections, and views on how this tour changed Australia.
Lawyer TONY ABRAHAMS played with the Australian rugby team in South Africa in 1969, but became one of seven anti-apartheid Wallabies who spoke out against the 1971 tour. MEREDITH BURGMANN, now President of the New South Wales Legislative Council, was one of the organisers of the Anti-Apartheid Movement, arrested numerous times during the Springbok tour. Accountant JOHN HOWARD was the Treasurer of the New South Wales Rugby Union, and in charge of the Springboks' travel and security during the tour - a job that turned out to be much bigger than he'd expected!
And barrister LLOYD McDERMOTT was the first Aborigine to play with the Wallabies, in 1962, but was barred from touring to South Africa with the team in 1963. He's the patron of a young Aboriginal rugby team which this year played in South Africa. In his view it's the culmination of what all the protests were about in 1971.
lol "the Battle of Boet Erasmus Stadium"Seventies and eighties
When the All Blacks toured South Africa in June-July 1970, the Springboks won the test series 3-1. The Prime Minister of New Zealand cancelled the 1973 Springbok tour of New Zealand, but the 1976 All Blacks tour of South Africa went ahead. Again the Springboks won by three tests to one.
Massive anti-apartheid demonstrations greeted the South African rugby tour of Australia in 1971. The South African team had to be transported in Australian Air Force planes as the trade unions refused to service planes or trains transporting them. The Springboks’ tour began with matches in Perth, then Adelaide and Melbourne. The Springboks won all three tests, scoring 18-6, 14-6, and 19-11.
The Lions team that toured South Africa in 1974 was unbeaten over 22 games, and triumphed 3-0 (with one drawn) in the test series. The management of the Lions concluded that the Springboks dominated their opponents with physical aggression. The Lions decided "to get their retaliation in first" with the infamous '99 call'. The idea was that a South African referee would be unlikely to send off all of the Lions if they all retaliated against "blatant thuggery". At the "battle of Boet Erasmus Stadium," one of the most violent in rugby history, JPR Williams famously ran over half of the pitch and launched himself at 'Moaner' van Heerden after such a call.
we're going around in circles here cuttlefish. i understand your point and i disagree with it. he lost control, became irrational and so was taken down, your psychological interpretation of his inner thought processes notwithstanding. it was a perfectly justifiable act, and maybe in the future he will learn a measure of self control and get a small glimmer of understanding that no one really cares about his rantings on secret societies, election rigging and book reviews. he can save that for his crappy blog. so thank you for the discussion and we'll agree to disagree. see you in the next thread where we butt heads
Absolutely wrong, he did not get upset in any way till the police touched him, they precipitated the action then later tasered him.
nope. he was emotionally charged regarding his subject matter, the first approach by security was brushed off with confrontational body language and defiance. the mic was cut, security moved in, he became aggressive. HE precipitated the action that later got him tasered.
explod said:Since when can police touch some one for being emotionally charged.
explod said:In fact he was merely being insistent on the point he was making and the question being asked
explod said:It is not the charter of police to act on points of view, emotially charged or not
we're going around in circles here cuttlefish. i understand your point and i disagree with it. he lost control, became irrational and so was taken down, your psychological interpretation of his inner thought processes notwithstanding. it was a perfectly justifiable act, and maybe in the future he will learn a measure of self control and get a small glimmer of understanding that no one really cares about his rantings on secret societies, election rigging and book reviews. he can save that for his crappy blog. so thank you for the discussion and we'll agree to disagree. see you in the next thread where we butt heads
The guy Andrew Meyer has a history of "pranks" and set ups. What you don't see in the vids is the lead up to the questions, when Andrew Meyer taunts the cops before he starts asking his questions - he asks "you going to arrest me. You going to tase me?" read the police reports of the incidents, it's verifiable by witnesses - draw your own conclusions.
Excerpt below (entire extract too long for ASF)
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> >TO KEEP US SAFE IN SA!!!>
>>Don't agree with the final testing solution, I have some Colleagues who
>>would make better subjects, but nevertheless this is a Cracker!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>Not too long ago, I saw something at the gun shop that sparked my
>>interest. The occasion was our 10th anniversary and I was looking for a
>>little something extra for my wife. What I came across was a100,000-volt,
>>pocket/purse-sized tazer.
>>
>>The effects of the tazer were supposed to be short lived, with no long
>>term adverse affect on your assailant, allowing her adequate time to
>>retreat to safety. Needless to say, this was way too cool. Long story
>>short, I
>>bought the device and brought it home. I loaded two AAA Batteries in the
>>thing and pushed the button. NOTHING!! I was so disappointed. I learned,
>>however, that if I pushed the button AND pressed it against a metal
>>surface at the same time; I'd get a blue arc of electricity darting back
>>and forth between the prongs. Awesome!
>>
>>Unfortunately, I have yet to explain to my wife what that burn spot is on
>>the face of her LG convection oven.
>>
>>Okay, so I was home alone with this new toy, thinking to myself that it
>>couldn't be all that bad with only two AAA batteries, right? Yah. There I
>>sat in my recliner, my cat looking on intently, the trusting little
>>soul, while I was reading the directions and thinking that I really needed
>>to try this thing out on a flesh & blood moving target. I must admit I
>>thought about zapping Kitty for a fraction of a second, but thought better
>>of
>>it. She is such a sweet cat and, as most of you already know, hell hath no
>>fury like a cat pissed off. But, if I was going to give this thing to my
>>wife to protect herself against a mugger, I did want some assurance that
>>it
>>would work as advertised. Am I wrong?
>>
>>So, there I sat in a pair of shorts and my Blue Bulls supporter Jersey,
>>with my reading glasses perched delicately on the bridge of my nose,
>>directions in one hand, tazer in another. The directions said that a
>>one-second burst would shock and disorient your assailant; a two-second
>>burst was supposed to cause muscle spasms and a major loss of bodily
>>control; a three-second burst would purportedly make your assailant flop
>>on the ground like a fish out of water. Any burst longer than three
>>seconds would be wasting the batteries. All the while I'm looking at this
>>little device measuring about 5" long, less than 3/4 inch in
>>circumference; pretty cute really and loaded with two itsy, bitsy AAA
>>batteries thinking to myself "no flippin' way!"
>>
>>What happened next is almost beyond description, but I'll do my best.
>>
>>I'm sitting there alone, the cat looking on with her head tilted to one
>>side as if to say, "don't do it, you stupid man," reasoning that a
>>one-second burst from such a tiny little ole thingy couldn't hurt all that
>>bad. I
>>decided to give myself a one-second burst just for the heck of it. I
>>touched the prongs to my naked thigh, pushed the button, and
>>
>> HOLY MOTHER OF @@@!!!!, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, CRAP ON A STICK,
>> F@&$ ME GEORGE!!!!!
>>
>> I'm pretty sure THE BLUE BULLS TEAM ran in through the side door, picked
>> me up, body slammed me on the carpet over and over and over again and
>> then slammed the recliner over my head just for fun. I vaguely recall
>> waking up on my side in the fetal position, with tears in my eyes, body
>> soaking wet smelling like pEEEEE, both nipples on fire, testicles nowhere
>> to be found, with my left arm tucked under my body in the oddest
>> position, and pins and needles in my legs. The cat was standing over me
>> making meowing sounds I had never heard before, licking my face,
>> undoubtedly thinking to herself, "Do it again, do it again you stupid
>> IDIOT!"
>>
>>Please take this from the voice of experience - there is no such thing as
>>a one-second burst when you zap yourself!!!!. You will not let go of that
>>thing until it is dislodged from your hand by a violent thrashing about
>>on the floor! Three second burst would be considered conservative. A
>>minute or so later (I can't be sure, as time was a relative thing at that
>>point), I collected my wits (what little I had left), sat up and surveyed
>>the
>>landscape. My bent and forlorn reading glasses were hanging miserably on
>>the mantel of the fireplace. How did they up get there? My triceps, right
>>thigh and both nipples were still twitching. My face felt like it had
>>been
>>shot up with Novocain, and judging by how my jaw hung listlessly, my
>>bottom lip must have weighed 88 lbs. By the way, at this point my
>>testicles, feeling like they withdrew into my body somewhere around my
>>ribcage, are still
>>waiting for the all clear signal to emerge from the bomb shelter. Now I
>>know how Tom Hanks' character felt when he had to go search for Private
>>Ryan.
>>I felt like I should offer a significant reward for their safe return.
>>Even now, I experience shrinkage when I plug anything into the socket.
>>
>>So if you ever feel compelled to "mug" yourself with a tazer to test it,
>>take my advice! Repeat after me...here, kitty kitty....
Thanks for that. It now appears clear that he set it up. Police are human. This guy manipulated a democratic forum for his own ends. Garpal
Burmese junta threatens action against further protests
Posted 3 hours 53 minutes ago
State media has explicitly ordered the monks to stay out of politics. (AFP)
Burmese officials riding on trucks in central Yangon used loudspeakers to warn against new anti-junta protests, one day after Buddhist monks led 100,000 people in the streets.
"We warn the monks and the people not to participate in protest marches," local government officials shouted into loudspeakers from at least two trucks circling around the nation's commercial hub.
"We will take action under the existing law," they warned, echoing threats carried in state media since late Monday.
More protests were expected today, again led by the monks whose revered status has made them rallying figures for public anger that erupted more than one month ago after a crippling hike in fuel prices.
State media has explicitly ordered the monks to stay out of politics, and accused foreign media of fuelling the protests that have become the biggest challenge to the regime in nearly 20 years.
"All the members of the Sangha (clergy) residing in the Union of Burma are directed to avoid getting involved in party politics and instigation," the official New Light of Burma newspaper said.
"Some foreign media telecasting the protests aim to cause unrest in Burma," the paper said.
The warnings in the newspaper, a government mouthpiece, mirrored threats of a crackdown carried on state television late on Monday
In a healthy democracy he would have been allowed to ask those questions
In a police state he wouldn't.(
lol - what's wrong with that ? -Hindsight, with respect, I think you just don't get it. Meyers set up the incident to get publicity. Read the police evidence, read the independent observer's email. He got his 15 minutes of fame that he was after!
I don't think that's the point at all. It may be relevant to the actions of the police in ejecting him, but it's irrelevant to being tased inappropriately, which is what the thread is about.Meyers set up the incident to get publicity. Read the police evidence, read the independent observer's email. He got his 15 minutes of fame that he was after!
Very dumb remark!Hindsight, with respect, I think you just don't get it. Meyers set up the incident to get publicity. Read the police evidence, read the independent observer's email. He got his 15 minutes of fame that he was after!
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