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i liked the concept of compulsory super when Paul Keating introduced itI am a fan of super, but I think it's lost its way over the years.
Problem with the above is that for those who are now in the retirement phase, either transitioning or completely, there needs to be a mechanism to allow members to easily take money out, either as a pension, or in adhoc withdrawls.
The super industry is raking in too much money to ever allow that to happen.
mick
i liked the concept of compulsory super when Paul Keating introduced it
however politicians , bureaucrats and activists find it compelling to fiddle about , and i saw the trend in 2010 took an opportune moment to bail out , and invest myself as a standalone portfolio ( of mixed assets )
i saw this coming years back
'never get between a politician and a pot of money ' my state member said in 1973 and dammit he was correct
BTW i have shares in a couple of accounting firms , so it isn't all bad ( for me )
WOWEE another bullet dodgedSuperannuation. There are Government cash-cows and there are non-Government cash-cows.
Betashares to enter Australian superannuation industry
Over the past 12+ years, Betashares’ leading range of ETFs have helped Australian investors progress their financial goals by democratising investing, expanding choice and lowering costs. Today, Betashares Group announced it has reached an agreement to acquire Bendigo and Adelaide Bank’s...www.betashares.com.au
It will be interesting to see how this travels in comparison with Vanguard's superannuation offer.
I sometimes wonder if choice is a good thing where there a plethora of products coming to the market. It can have the impact of creating confusion to such an extent some punter will need to seek financial advice and away we go.......
ignoring the clamant one, I totally agree @Belli . Sometimes we don't need a better mousetrap, when there are rats at workI sometimes wonder if choice is a good thing where there a plethora of products coming to the market. It can have the impact of creating confusion to such an extent some punter will need to seek financial advice and away we go.......
ignoring the clamant one, I totally agree @Belli . Sometimes we don't need a better mousetrap, when there are rats at work
As discussed often enough, your super is their money, soon required to be invested in their "future proofing" Australia ..Interesting proposition:
From the article:Chalmers pushes super funds to pump hundreds of billions into energy, defence
The Albanese government is assembling the country’s “most influential investors and philanthropists” to help bankroll some of its most high-profile initiatives.www.smh.com.au
Superannuation funds representing $2.5 trillion will be pushed to fill a widening deficit in defence, energy and social services spending as Treasurer Jim Chalmers meets executives on Monday seeking hundreds of billions of dollars of private investment in crucial sectors of the economy.
The Albanese government is assembling what is believed to be the highest net worth group of investors to meet in Australia because taxpayers cannot afford to bankroll some of its most high-profile initiatives.
“This week, we’re bringing the most influential investors and philanthropists in the country around the table to get capital flowing to where it’s needed most in our economy,” Chalmers said.
“Our investor roundtables are all about getting capital flowing towards opportunities that are in the national interest, delivering strong returns for investors and strong returns for our people.”
Building a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines is expected to cost nearly $400 billion over 30 years. While the commitment to defence spending cracked $50 billion for the first time in the federal budget this year, the nuclear submarines are unfunded.
Defence Industry Minister Pat Conroy said the roundtable would discuss the potential for “everyday Australians to invest in the defence of their nation”.
Meanwhile, Commonwealth Bank senior economist Kristina Clifton said switching to renewable electricity generation and electrifying the transport sector could cost up to $100 billion a year until 2050.
Last week a group of major superannuation funds called for new policies such as tax breaks and faster project approval times to help them invest.
The Albanese government has a huge task to deliver on its goal to raise the share of renewables to 82 per cent of the electricity grid by 2030. Some 10,000 kilometres of transmission lines will be needed to link new wind and solar farms to population centres, while the government announced last month a scheme to underwrite private investment in 32 gigawatts of clean energy generation – nearly half the total capacity of the east coast grid.
“Investment from the private sector is crucial to our economy’s transformation to net zero [emissions],” Bowen said. “Government can’t do it alone, this must be a whole of economy effort.”
Australia’s major super funds will be represented at the meetings in Canberra this week, including Colonial First State, CBUS, AustralianSuper, HESTA and Hostplus, joined by chief executives of the big four banks, industry and social services leaders and philanthropists.
Yes the idea that the money is there to give the best return for members, is heading out the window, but it was a nice thought while it lasted.As discussed often enough, your super is their money, soon required to be invested in their "future proofing" Australia ..
I watch utopia long enough to know what their parlance will be...
things like nuclear subs, EV charging stations, solar and wind plant which are net fossil fuel consumers..just in case they pretend the aim is to reduce co2 emissions..a new AFL field in Rockhampton if local MP is in trouble and local batteries in your suburbs.
i was lucky enough ( or unlucky enough ) to have an account with an Employer Super Fund which declared ( in the fine print ) some interesting anomalies , mingling in management agendas , the super fund at one stage holding a substantial holding in the company shares ( way more than 6% of the share portfolio ) the pre-selection of candidates for the 'employee interests ' for the super fund trustees ( all middle or senior management )but it was a nice thought while it lasted.
If our Super doesn't take a cut of the deal they would be mugs.The article that just keeps giving, it really should be in the satire thread IMO.
So from the article:Chalmers pushes super funds to pump hundreds of billions into energy, defence
The Albanese government is assembling the country’s “most influential investors and philanthropists” to help bankroll some of its most high-profile initiatives.www.smh.com.au
Superannuation funds representing $2.5 trillion will be pushed to fill a widening deficit in defence, energy and social services spending as Treasurer Jim Chalmers meets executives on Monday seeking hundreds of billions of dollars of private investment in crucial sectors of the economy.
“Our investor roundtables are all about getting capital flowing towards opportunities that are in the national interest, delivering strong returns for investors and strong returns for our people.”
Building a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines is expected to cost nearly $400 billion over 30 years. While the commitment to defence spending cracked $50 billion for the first time in the federal budget this year, the nuclear submarines are unfunded.
The Albanese government has a huge task to deliver on its goal to raise the share of renewables to 82 per cent of the electricity grid by 2030. Some 10,000 kilometres of transmission lines will be needed to link new wind and solar farms to population centres, while the government announced last month a scheme to underwrite private investment in 32 gigawatts of clean energy generation – nearly half the total capacity of the east coast grid..
So the taxpayer gets their super invested in military and renewable energy projects, which the Government underwrites and guaranties a return on the investment, which the Government pays with the taxpayers money which then goes back into their super.
That's a circular economy at work, magic Luigi.
The article that just keeps giving, it really should be in the satire thread IMO.
So from the article:Chalmers pushes super funds to pump hundreds of billions into energy, defence
The Albanese government is assembling the country’s “most influential investors and philanthropists” to help bankroll some of its most high-profile initiatives.www.smh.com.au
Superannuation funds representing $2.5 trillion will be pushed to fill a widening deficit in defence, energy and social services spending as Treasurer Jim Chalmers meets executives on Monday seeking hundreds of billions of dollars of private investment in crucial sectors of the economy.
“Our investor roundtables are all about getting capital flowing towards opportunities that are in the national interest, delivering strong returns for investors and strong returns for our people.”
Building a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines is expected to cost nearly $400 billion over 30 years. While the commitment to defence spending cracked $50 billion for the first time in the federal budget this year, the nuclear submarines are unfunded.
The Albanese government has a huge task to deliver on its goal to raise the share of renewables to 82 per cent of the electricity grid by 2030. Some 10,000 kilometres of transmission lines will be needed to link new wind and solar farms to population centres, while the government announced last month a scheme to underwrite private investment in 32 gigawatts of clean energy generation – nearly half the total capacity of the east coast grid..
So the taxpayer gets their super invested in military and renewable energy projects, which the Government underwrites and guaranties a return on the investment, which the Government pays with the taxpayers money which then goes back into their super.
That's a circular economy at work, magic Luigi.
The super funds have to take a cut of the debt the privates aren't going to stump up that money, where do the privates get a return on military equipment and who foots the bill if the renewables turn to mush, there is a chance that the return on capital may be mainly Govt subsidies on a lot of the installed capacity.If our Super doesn't take a cut of the deal they would be mugs.
High net worth individuals are going to get their share.
And if these two groups don't stump it - we will be looking at Canadian and Singapore Super Funds again.
from your article:
The Albanese government is assembling what is believed to be the highest net worth group of investors to meet in Australia because taxpayers cannot afford to bankroll some of its most high-profile initiatives.
The military can lease equipment from the private sector.The super funds have to take a cut of the debt the privates aren't going to stump up that money, where do the privates get a return on military equipment and who foots the bill if the renewables turn to mush, there is a chance that the return on capital may be mainly Govt subsidies on a lot of the installed capacity.
There seems to be a lot of wish and prayer going on IMO.
I don't disagree that it is good for the Govt to take this route, but to me it looks like just another nail in the middle class coffin. If we were investing in Canada's renewables that would mean their taxpayer is giving us the money back plus interest, if we invest in our own we are using our money, then we are paying ourselves the interest with our money, there is a subtle difference.
well both parities hate the middle-class but the ALP are proud of it ( except when those middle-class are union officials ) the Greens pretend to be friends with everything ( at least until they get their hands on your wallet ) and the conservatives love capitalism until the middle-class start invading the top 5%The super funds have to take a cut of the debt the privates aren't going to stump up that money, where do the privates get a return on military equipment and who foots the bill if the renewables turn to mush, there is a chance that the return on capital may be mainly Govt subsidies on a lot of the installed capacity.
There seems to be a lot of wish and prayer going on IMO.
I don't disagree that it is good for the Govt to take this route, but to me it looks like just another nail in the middle class coffin.
help we will be drowning in a sea of debt if we aren't already.well both parities hate the middle-class but the ALP are proud of it ( except when those middle-class are union officials ) the Greens pretend to be friends with everything ( at least until they get their hands on your wallet ) and the conservatives love capitalism until the middle-class start invading the top 5%
smells more like a scam and a plan to me
( BTW why are we buying obsolete nuke subs .. like they aren't brand new off the slipways )
we are being sold stuff that can't be sent to Ukraine for target practice
help we will be drowning in a sea of debt if we aren't already.
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