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Suicide in the main happens as a result of depression.
Depresion is an illness, nothing to do with strong or weak, it's an illness so all the posters in here who think it somehow relates to weakness dont know anything about it and should shut up.
Some of our greatest sportmen and women have been struck down by it and they aren't weak not to mention countless other examples.
 
I would like to make a distinction, (not sure Matt2 is making it tho)

depression is an illness that benefits by treatment

most suicide cases are depressed, so this is a tragic outcome.

not confronting ones medical issues is "weak"

however, IMO, suicide itself is in most cases an act of "weakness" as such, as the individual has lost the courage and determination to keep fighting, and the compassion for themselves and those they leave behind.

I believe persons with suicidal ideation need to keep the concept of courage firmly fixed at the forefront of their minds..yes consider the soldiers, refugees and sick people who keep on going.

I do consider, however, there are some situations where the ending of ones life does not necessarily classify as "weakness", these would include cases of terminal or painful illness ( including severe mental illness), and even some cases of suicide due to dishonour, as is more common in some other societies than ours.
 
awg said:
I would like to make a distinction, (not sure Matt2 is making it tho)

depression is an illness that benefits by treatment

most suicide cases are depressed, so this is a tragic outcome.

not confronting ones medical issues is "weak"

however, IMO, suicide itself is in most cases an act of "weakness" as such, as the individual has lost the courage and determination to keep fighting, and the compassion for themselves and those they leave behind.

I believe persons with suicidal ideation need to keep the concept of courage firmly fixed at the forefront of their minds..yes consider the soldiers, refugees and sick people who keep on going.

I do consider, however, there are some situations where the ending of ones life does not necessarily classify as "weakness", these would include cases of terminal or painful illness ( including severe mental illness), and even some cases of suicide due to dishonour, as is more common in some other societies than ours.
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please,

anyone who does not understand mental health, mental illness or suicide and depression please do not associate the words weakness with suicide..

again please read the extensive research and countless pages of information on the subject..

http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?


http://www.suicide.org/suicide-is-not-an-act-of-weakness.html

Suicide is NOT an Act of Weakness;
and People Who Die by Suicide are Not Weak

by Kevin Caruso

Would anyone say that dying from cancer is an act of weakness? And that people who die from cancer are weak?

No.

Would anyone say that dying from heart disease is an act of weakness? And that people who die from heart disease are weak?

No.

Would anyone say that dying from a stroke is an act of weakness? And that people who die from a stroke are weak?

No.

Indeed, it would be idiotic to say that dying from cancer, heart disease, or a stroke is an act of “weakness.” Such an utterance would represent a level of unparalleled ignorance and insensitivity, to say the least.

Yet some people will say that suicide is an act of weakness and that people who die by suicide are weak – but this statement is as ignorant, insensitive, and incorrect as the statements about cancer, heart disease, and stroke.

Over 90 percent of the people who die by suicide have a mental illness at the time of their death and thus they are not thinking clearly, and they usually are experiencing excruciating emotional pain.

They are not weak; they are ill – just like people with cancer are ill. So the word “weakness” should never be uttered in association with suicide.

Clinical depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, and other mental illnesses can cause people to do many things that they would never do if they were not ill, including die by suicide. So “weakness” has NOTHING to do with suicide.

Also, using an incorrect word like “weakness” perpetuates the strong stigma associated with suicide. And uttering such an ignorant word in association with suicide is extremely disrespectful and hurtful to suicide survivors.

Suicide is not an act of weakness; it is an act stemming from a serious mental illness, and the words we use in association with suicide should reflect that fact.
 
Agentm said:
please,

anyone who does not understand mental health, mental illness or suicide and depression please do not associate the words weakness with suicide..

again please read the extensive research and countless pages of information on the subject..


Also, using an incorrect word like “weakness” perpetuates the strong stigma associated with suicide. And uttering such an ignorant word in association with suicide is extremely disrespectful and hurtful to suicide survivors.

Suicide is not an act of weakness; it is an act stemming from a serious mental illness, and the words we use in association with suicide should reflect that fact.
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I know an awful lot about these topics

I stand by my opinion.

I have no wish to offend, far from it.
 
awg said:
I would like to make a distinction, (not sure Matt2 is making it tho)

depression is an illness that benefits by treatment

most suicide cases are depressed, so this is a tragic outcome.

not confronting ones medical issues is "weak"

however, IMO, suicide itself is in most cases an act of "weakness" as such, as the individual has lost the courage and determination to keep fighting, and the compassion for themselves and those they leave behind.

I believe persons with suicidal ideation need to keep the concept of courage firmly fixed at the forefront of their minds..yes consider the soldiers, refugees and sick people who keep on going.

I do consider, however, there are some situations where the ending of ones life does not necessarily classify as "weakness", these would include cases of terminal or painful illness ( including severe mental illness), and even some cases of suicide due to dishonour, as is more common in some other societies than ours.
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What a a load of crap:(
 
awg said:
I know an awful lot about these topics

I stand by my opinion.

I have no wish to offend, far from it.
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please dont think i am offended, the quotes you use are form the words posted by:

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-is-no...-weakness.html

Suicide is NOT an Act of Weakness;
and People Who Die by Suicide are Not Weak

by Kevin Caruso



awg, your not demonstrating any real understanding despite your "knowing an awful lot about these topics", and your absolutely 100% wrong about depression and suicide and your perception on weakness.. its an illness and its treatable and all must be done to eliminate the labels you and many put upon victims and survivors of depression and suicide and many forms of mental illness. there is no weakness in any of it..

if you understood mental illness and understood suicide as you say you know a lot about, then you could not stand by those words, they are simply 100% incorrect

again, i implore everyone to read the great insights and research from those who do understand and work closely with depression and suicide, and dont believe in any way the rubbish awg posts that depression suicide or mental illness is in any way a weakness..


http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?
 
awg said:
depression is an illness that benefits by treatment

most suicide cases are depressed, so this is a tragic outcome.

not confronting ones medical issues is "weak"
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I am curious what method is suggested then to assist individuals at risk of suicide?

other than medication

What I am saying is that failure to address the full implications of any medical condition is unwise.

In the instance of a mentally ill person, deemed to be at risk of suicide, this risk should be addressed, so the question then becomes how to do this in therapy, or whatever other means.

note my use of quotation marks to indicate the often perceived meanings
 
awg said:
I would like to make a distinction, (not sure Matt2 is making it tho)

depression is an illness that benefits by treatment

most suicide cases are depressed, so this is a tragic outcome.

not confronting ones medical issues is "weak"
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There are people who have "confronted their medical issues" as you put it, have tried multiple treatments, and still don't want to continue living.
I don't see why anyone else should interfere with their right to decide to die.
There's an assumption that those who loved the person who took their life cannot understand such an action and are devastated by it.

As someone who has had two close relatives kill themselves, my only regret was that they had to end their lives in such a painful and lonely way.
Had I not known I'd have gone to jail for assisting them both as they requested for so long, I'd have happily done anything I could to ease their way out.



however, IMO, suicide itself is in most cases an act of "weakness" as such, as the individual has lost the courage and determination to keep fighting, and the compassion for themselves and those they leave behind.
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Rubbish.



I believe persons with suicidal ideation need to keep the concept of courage firmly fixed at the forefront of their minds..yes consider the soldiers, refugees and sick people who keep on going.
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Why should you (or anyone else with a similar view) dictate to any other human being what they should or should not have to endure?
How do you know they haven't already demonstrated extraordinary courage and stoicism over a long period of time.

I'm utterly sick of people making judgements on others when they have absolutely no bloody idea of what constituted their lives or suffering.



I do consider, however, there are some situations where the ending of ones life does not necessarily classify as "weakness", these would include cases of terminal or painful illness ( including severe mental illness), and even some cases of suicide due to dishonour, as is more common in some other societies than ours.
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This is in contradiction to what you have previously said. Why shouldn't these people similarly be demonstrating the sort of 'courage' you demanded earlier?
 
I wonder how many go to their petty jobs which they hate, get pizzed on by an insecure boss and then act tough on an internet.

I see that as weak.

Chronic illness is in an entire different league, one which unless experienced, could not be understood.
 
My interest in this thread was to explore what causes/prevents suicide, in most ( but not all) cases an impulsive tragic event.

How to establish a mindset that is resistant in vulnerable individuals.

I dont dispute that suicide/euthanasia is a reasoned outcome in some instances, as I stated.

I state my opinions in a public forum, I dont wish to force them on anyone, or denigrate others opinion.

The majority of suicide cases I have experience with left behind devastated spouse and children, and were very much unnecessary
 
Wow. There are some really ignorant people on this thread. I really hope that they enjoy a full and happy life.
 
MrBurns said:
Suicide in the main happens as a result of depression.
Depresion is an illness, nothing to do with strong or weak, it's an illness so all the posters in here who think it somehow relates to weakness dont know anything about it and should shut up.
Some of our greatest sportmen and women have been struck down by it and they aren't weak not to mention countless other examples.
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Yes I agree Mr.Burns

It's an illness and the strength to overcome it comes from within. :cool:

There is a lot of meaning in this song! ;)

 
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